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664:(and at this point it is beginning to look like this is a deliberate tactic specifically to circumvent CITEVAR), and for similar reasons I oppose the addition of any error category that is designed to give the bot a list of articles to run against (as that proposed here is). Names, in particular, are notoriously hard to get right (look up conventions for names among aboriginies some time) and I see no evidence the proposer here has done his homework on them or intends anything but setting a bot loose to do automated edits; which is a wholly inadequate way to deal with the issue.I hadn't intended to have any opinion on this proposal, but in plain text: I've lost my ability to trust this tool because every single instance of it being used that has crossed my watchlist lately has ranged from mildly problematic to wildly inappropriate. I'm sure there are responsible users of it doing creat work to improve our citations (which are in dire need of cleanup), but its design as it stands appears to encourage the opposite. Its potential benefits have now for me been outstripped by the damage it causes and I see no signs of its maintainers even recognizing that there is a problem, much less have any interest in fixing or even ameliorating it. -- 3784:

if an older edition in their possession should possibly be replaced by a newer version. In normal citations, the information may be useful to decide if the work is substantial enough to be worth looking into it at all, or, if it is worth to order the source as a whole or only the cited pages from an archive. There are also older / incomplete citations where knowledge of the number of pages helps to distinguish between editions. In cases, where the total number of pages distinguishes between the pages of the front, body and back matter, this may also give extra clues how to interpret the cited page numbers, thereby helping to reliably source particular statements in a larger or complex work. Finally, having a parameter for the total number of pages as well as for the cited page(s) will help editors to provide reference information more reliably (right now, many editors abuse the existing page(s)= parameter(s) to specify the total number of pages). This misuse will be reduced, if they have a separate parameter for the total number of pages.

6100:). So if you wanted to cite an episode for a reference to something visual or even a sound design, that isn't the writer. That said, if we do continue on keeping it, the parameter should be changed so a consistent use and visual style will show up when used. For example, when I saw it used today, the editor who added the template, added the roles in parenthesis "Marc Guggenheim & Keto Shimizu (writers) & Glenn Winter (director)", which I'll take a wild guess and assume is not how everyone who used it does. Also, to make things a bit more complicated, in the US there is a difference between "Writer A and Writer B" and "Writer A & Writer B" ( 1844: 5286:

and merely from casual experience rather than empiric study, it seems likely to me that the parameter is not being filled automatically with, say, |language=hi or |language=ta on this wiki even though that certainly would fit with the rationale you and others have explained; perhaps that is just because I haven't happened acrossl the right articles yet, although I look at hundreds most days and have not long since cut my watchlist down to ca. 4,000. -

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television or radio episodes for comparison? It would also be great if the TemplateData appeared much earlier in the documentation: it is so much easier to understand than all those dozens of descriptions of parameters that seem to have only very limited application for most editors ("mode", "author-mask", "editors", "quote", "zbl", "eissn", "volume", "page", "publication-place", and a bunch more). Thanks!

4905:, and if anything (like Citation Bot) erroneously adds it automatically then the correct course of action is to prevent whatever that automated tool is from doing that in the future. It's possible that VE or Reftoolbar or something tries to be helpful by adding it based on some heuristic, but then it is also always saved by a human editor afterwards. In other words, the set you are describing is nil. -- 1792: 1672: 5052:

absent manual inspection (i.e. another human's judgement). In other words, the two methods to determine file type are not equivalent in function, implementation, or semantics (or, put anoter way, they're only "redundant" with eachother if you squint just right): and the one that is amenable to automated processing is both the worse (inaccurate, error prone) and not standards compliant. --

6481:(1) uses italic for the title of a paper, which is comparable to a journal article; and (2) uses roman for the collection of papers presented at the conference, which is comparable to a journal or book. Why this inconsistency? Chicago style uses quotation marks for the title of the paper and italic for the published proceedings of the conference.— 2250:, and bolding that whole thing is seen as undesirable by some strawman or other. Perhaps we could request a database analysis from some masochistic SQL junkie that would give us a list of the contents of all volume parameters, or a histogram of all volume parameters by length, or something that might help us make a data-driven decision here. – 6440:

Internet Archive links into the appropriate citations. This doesn't necessarily help with links added before the project began a few years ago, but it does work on edits now. IABot also adds links to WebCite or Archive.is as appropriate if the Internet Archive doesn't have an appropriate archive available. The bot also changes

799:, which is about two days before the edit was actually saved and one day before the fix was implemented. I suspect that the editor had that paragraph saved in a sandbox or something like that, and pasted it in after it had been sitting around for a couple of days. If you see any date stamps that are after the date stamp of the 2089:: this took me aback as I was unaware and I spent some considerable time double-checking that I had entered everything correctly. (FWIW the citations were from volumes 96 and 97 i.e. XCVI and XCVII.) Would it be possible to craft some code which recognises when Roman Numerals are being used and preserve the bolding? TIA HAND — 5327:

an article with a load of barelinks and can't be bothered running through them all. I'm still not really seeing why inclusion of the parameter for native languages should be by default with Citoid and RefToolbar but then I don't understand your last sentence either, sorry, and suspect the answer lies in that. -

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facsimilie edition is easily available, has extra data attached like ISBNs etc., is frequently cited in other sources, or is of particularly high reproduction quality. In such cases, both could be listed either as two adjacent but separate references or as two citation templates combined into one <ref: -->

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then look at the 50th page, and on this page I will not find anything confirming the text of the Knowledge article. But if I know that this is not just "50th page", but 50th out of 200, then I will look at the e-book of 400 pages in the 100th-page area and it will be much easier for me to figure it out.--

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Speaking of preemptive archives, if you go the history page for an article, you'll see a "Fix dead links" link near the top. Click that, and you can add archive links for dead links, or preemptively archive all of the links in all of the citations. So in short, there are some great tools that already

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Ah, its generated from metadata - that would explain the scarcity of Indic ones, thanks. I've no intention of ever running a bot and don't even care for AWB, so no worries there, and I almost always do the cite templates by hand, the exception being the occasional use of the reflinks tool when I find

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A reasonable question, but, as I explained in my reply to GreenC above, the syntax for URLs do not assign any particular meaning to what some are used to thinking of as a "filename extension" (which is an OS convention originating on Windows): that part of an URL is just an opaque text string. An URL

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Have you heard of percentages, proportions, and so on? "Сitation for myself" does not need the total number of pages, because the values in the fields "page" and "pages" will be put down exactly the same way as in the edition I own. But this is necessary for people who may find another edition with a

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Not only PDF, but also other variants, in which the text of a paper book after recognition is reformatted. At the same time, the paper book had, for example, 200 pages, the 50th page was indicated in the ref. If I would find (for example) only the electronic version, in which there are 400 pages, and

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Personally, I find information about the total number of pages potentially useful in various ways: In articles about authors and publications, they are useful information in itself when multiple editions of a work are listed for comparison. This may help readers to decide, which edition to locate, or

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In the description of the template "Cite book" for the parameter "pages" it is written: "do not use to indicate the total number of pages in the source". But how to correctly specify the total number of pages? I want to use this template in the "Sources" indicating the total number of pages, and then

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Three reasons. The first is that the bot still makes too many mistakes to be unleashed on 100000+ pages without review. The second is that category runs still require manual activation, and will often crash 100-200 articles in when the bot encounters something like a badly-formed DOI. And third, even

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The situation now where "author"(or "first"/"last") should be used but not explained in any way what person should be added to it, does not add any value to articles. I personally wouldn't mind seeing it removed, as an author does not exist for an episode, that is, the audio-visual finished product.

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I know what a book author is. I was asking how this is relates to a television episode. What value is expected for this parameter - the writers (and if so, which, as there are 3 different types)? the directer? The showrunners for the entire series? Each of those can be an entry for the author and at

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for citations which contain the string ".pdf" in the URL. However, based on your posts in this thread it appears that you are seeking justification for pursuing a course of action that you have already decided you want to pursue; because you're mostly just making assertions and not asking questions.

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tag just ends up creating problems for other editors down the line. But on the other hand, it's not really a big issue for a single article to cite two different editions of the same work. It's a bit annoying for readers who have to track down both editions instead of one, but there's nothing really

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have, and then replace the citation with a new one to the edition you have. The end result is that only one of these two editions will be cited in the article. If my quick peek is correct, the only cite to this work is for a couple of numbers in the infobox: in which case you can check those numbers

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Does anyone know what to do when there is a facsimile reprint-edition and the original edition of the book *and* both are being cited in a single "Cite book" reference? For instance, I have come across a situation where I am trying to correct a referencing situation where another editor cited a 1974

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As you can see, there seems to be LOTS of opportunity for confusion and inconsistency when using this template. Could we get someone to revise the documentation to clarify these kinds of things and include more examples drawn from actual instances of the template in use in actual articles to actual

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when a citation parameter contains text that duplicates static text provided by the template itself. The categorization, however, includes talk pages, Knowledge space pages, process page archives, and related pages on which we would not usually make "corrections" or perform this kind of maintenance.

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there is a bot that already does wonders to prevent link rot. The Internet Archive monitors every edit make to Knowledge right now, and they automatically archive every link added in those edits. Then IABot monitors pages to see if links cited within have gone dead. If so, it automatically adds the

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I doubt anyone here would be bothered if you removed |language=en from articles you care about; just know that it does have its uses and so you would probably have some resistance if you wanted to bot-remove them. In some articles, there are multiple-language works which will include English, which

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in a citation template reflects an editor's explicit intent to indicate that the resource referenced by the associated URL is a PDF file. That is, it reflects human judgement. Their intent may well be misguided, of course, and their judgement flawed, but there is no reasonable way to determine that

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I would definitely reconsider using this template at all, except for special applications. Plain text is less complexity and always preferred. The template can make things difficult for bots and tools to parse, the result is they will ignore citations containing it thus won't get needed maintenance

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Xover has already described one way to deal with such situations, but IMHO there are situations where mentioning both editions, the original one as well as the facsimilie edition is beneficial to readers, for example, when the historical original edition is very rare and difficult to obtain and the

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Is there any benefit to using both archive-date and access-date when there is an archived url? I have been told in the past to remove the "access-date" field when adding a link to an archived version, which makes logical sense to me, but another editor recently restored all the access-date text. It

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and click on What links here on the left side of the page, you'll see a partial list of pages that use the template (indicated by "transclusion" next to the page title). Click on a few of those pages and then edit each page to see how the template is used on those pages and how it is rendered. That

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To oversimplify, we generally use quotation marks for the title of shorter published works (a journal or newspaper or magazine article, a chapter in a book, a song, a poem) and italic for title of longer works (a journal, newspaper, magazine, book, recording album, or anthology of poems). However,

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I am not disputing that the parameter has uses, I am querying why it should be filled by default with the native language of whichever wiki it is being used on. It seems that may be an issue more to do with the tools than anything else, ie Citoid, the RefToolbar and whatever else may do so. Oddly,

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Well, if you do not understand the basics of how this works, would it not be a more prudent approach to attempt to gain that understanding? Because you've just written that you want Citation Bot to remove parameters added by human editors because they were added by human editors. Nothing that I am

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Unless you're including PDF in "e-book" then the number of pages is going to be thoroughly fluid according to whatever you're reading it on, what font you are using at what size. I fail to understand how the number of pages can possibly be more helpful than other parameters—like date or edition—to

4919:"Well, if you do not understand the basics of how this works, would it not be a more prudent approach to attempt to gain that understanding?" What exactly do you think this whole discussion is about, if not an attempt to gain that understanding? And the set isn't nil, because the redundant use of 3779:

The need for a parameter to specify the total number of pages has been discussed many times over the years. It is also implemented in citation templates in a number of other language editions of Knowledge. While it is certainly not needed in every citation, there are uses and there is obviously a

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What is the rationale for including both access and archive dates. It makes citations hard to read and messy. If an archive only exists for a certain date, the access-date is useless. If the archive matches the access-date, it is useless. If the archive verifies the cited fact, the access-date is

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Should this be provided as "Second" and "First"? "1" and "2"? "Second season"? Will the template automatically add the word "...season" to whatever I DO enter? 2nd? 1st? What if I do not know what my season number is? Will my citation be removed as incomplete? And then there are some more

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on 6 May 2013. Looking at the edit history of Module:Citation/CS1, there does not seem to be any edit summary around that time that seems relevant. Looking at the archives of this talk page, there does not seem to be any relevant discussion around that time. Unless Gadget850 can explain what it's

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As long as we show those red messages in the view mode, I think it's useful to add a link which helps people fix them with little effort. If/when they can be fixed automatically, we could as well stop showing them out of the edit preview and just use tracking categories. But we're not there yet.

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We will be able to help you better if you provide a few examples of episodes that you would like to cite. Give us the information about the episode using whatever words you are comfortable with, and we can help you translate that information into the right parameters. We may even discover useful

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Is this some change in guidance/policy or it is perhaps the result of people using a particular gadget that adds the thing? I can understand the need to specify the language if it is not in English but this is the English language Knowledge and it seems to me just to be more clutter in the edit

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I don't know if this has never worked or has stopped working because of some change in the order of css application. Only one icon can occupy the space assigned for the external link icon: pdf or access. We must determine which of those is the one that wins. If we decide that the access icon

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cite the version where you read it. The citations written by a previous editor could be left as-is, or if necessary, correct any errors in how the citation is written. Since that is the custom both within Knowledge and elsewhere, readers will be confused if you try to combine two printings with

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That is boilerplate text that exists in every module page whether there is documentation or not. Because the cs1|2 modules are used on so many pages (at present more than 3.8 million) changes to the module suite are collected in the sandboxen and then implemented as a single update. No one is

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Lumping human names with roles in name-holding parameters is not good practice because that extraneous text corrupts the citation's author metadata (yeah, director, producer, whatever, if we had parameters with those names, would all be reduced to author k/v pairs in the citation's metadata).

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Well, if an en-WP article has been translated for use on another wiki then it is surely a part of the translator's role to modify cites as required, just as they would also have to modify the article to comply with that wiki's policies and guidelines (different MOS, different RS etc). It still

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Alexander C. Casselman, ed., ''Richardson's War of 1812'', Vol. 1 (Toronto: Historical Publishing Co.) {{p. 132|date=1902}} facsimile edition by Coles Publishing Co., Toronto, {{p. 164|date=1974}}; Sandy Antal, ''A Wampum Denied, Proctor's War of 1812'' (Ottawa: Carleton University Press) {{p.

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alternative link in the future). I think, if both, access-date and archive-date happen to specify the same date, archive-date could be suppressed from display inside the template, but the parameter should not be removed. Otherwise they should both be displayed, as they serve different purposes.

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only. If that works, doesn't create a ton of false positives (always remember, names are hard), and there are enough editors willing to fix the errors that are found, we can discuss expanding the scope of the testing, parameter by parameter, with a different list of tests for each parameter. –

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And then delete the "facsimile edition by Coles Publishing Co., Toronto, P. 164" bit. The template invocation (curly brackets) around the page numbers is clearly by someone that's confused and can be safely removed (should be removed) completely independently of the main issue in this thread.

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where it can be viewed and verified? Then we have "Transcript", which is a parameter for "Transcript of the original source"... This means I should provide my own verbatim transcript of the entire episode?? There is also a separate "Transcript-url" for the url, so what is supposed to go in

1496:{{cite web| title= Spring Phenomena: 25 BCE to 38 CE | URL = https://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/SpringPhenom.php | date = 10 August 2017 | last1 = Astronomical Applications Dept. | publisher = U.S. Naval Observatory | location = the closet under the stairs | publication-place = Washington, DC}} 6389:

as a result, the way it automatically pulls usage data from all the language wikis and shows the most common is very technically impressive but not the most reasonable thing to do when setting guidelines for usage as it simply encourages people to carry on with the way things are instead of

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It is possible to add the total number of pages in a comment following the citation when needed, but it would be more convenient to have a well-defined place inside the citation template itself, so that it becomes easier maintainable, to streamline the format being used, and also to make it

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With dead links in citations it is a quite common situation that an archive is added long after the original link has gone dead in order to rescue a reference. In these cases, an existing access-date cannot be "updated" (and shouldn't, because it might even help to find a better archive or

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That would encourage editors to run the bot, which would trigger all its rules and bugs, while shifting (notionally) the responsibility for them and demonstrating consensus for them from the actual bot operators and onto the hapless editor we told to go use the bot. No, that sounds like a

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I provide one or the other, not both, as indeed it is superfluous (given that your archive page reflects the web page as it stood on the access date--not always or necessarily the case for web pages which change frequently--but in that case, you probably wouldn't want the archive page).

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spectacularly bad idea. If the bot can reliably fix a problem then let the bot operators get BAG approval in the normal way, and take responsibility for the edits it makes in the normal way, for a run against one of the maintenance categories. These error messages are for informing

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What language it is filled in with depends on the URL being accessed and whether the publisher of that URL has made the metadata available to indicate the language of the work. I regularly see |language=de and |language=fr (and occasionally |language=ja) filled in with my uses of

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has no guideline on what to do when the title of a PDF document is on multiple lines, if there's any symbol we should use to indicate a line break since Knowledge does not support titles with line breaks in between - using a comma isn't always appropriate as in the case of

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As for when it worked/when it stopped working, it would have stopped working when we switched to TemplateStyles as inline declarations always take precedence regardless of any stylesheets loaded prior (including the user agent's, which is why TemplateStyles is preferable).

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Ah, I'd never looked at Citoid before. I still think it is clutter. I can't imagine we have that many translators, and I'm pretty sure most of them would recognise English when they saw it. Especially since they would be translating from the en-WP article anyway. -

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Jts - you're correct aabout the aliasing, see the template documentation, so I can understand your confusion. But basically I'm just making the point to Headbomb about the need to be careful with names, in this case, that comma and full stop will correctly occur in

1981:. Does this mean "broadcasting date"? "Air date"? "Date episode was viewed?" "Date episode was written/ published?" Then, what does it mean by "source"? Source of my information? Source of the episode? Source of the date? "Source" is not a parameter! Also: 5047:

ending in ".pdf" can (and not infrequently does) return something other than a PDF. The way to find out what's returned is to do a GET or HEAD request on the URL and look at the MIME media type returned in the HTTP Content-Type header of the response. Conversely,

1273:). When multiple codes exist for a language in the MediaWiki list, Module:Citation/CS1 may encounter the IETF-like code first, recognize that it isn't a proper code and so place the article in Category:CS1 maint: Unrecognized language. That has been remedied: 2300:

values that start with "The", and the insource search warns me that the results are incomplete. A database dump would be needed to tell us for sure what sort of madness is out there. If it turns out that all of the really long values should actually be put in

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inadequate is a common condemnation of all cs1|2 template documentation. If you can see how the documentation can be made better, please do so. I don't use the template so I am not qualified, and no, I did not write the template, I just implemented it in

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It is of no use even for this role when the number of pages of an e-book will vary depending on the individual reader and its settings (such as screen size and text size), not on the edition. This would be only useful if you were writing citations for

6417:(the first case making showing the line break not as important, the second red comma making it clear that using comma to indicate a line break would create serious problems for titles that use commas in their actual title already like the example) -- 2084:

I've just been fixing up a couple of citations of a journal which likes to number its volumes as Roman Numerals. This is fine when the result is 4 characters or less, but anything longer than that triggers the condition that removes the bolding from

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I would avoid the use of !important by increasing the specificity of the selector. It's possible that the specificity of the PDF icon was increased itself or !important set on that; we'd have to look into the CSS stack to see what caused the issue.

365:. I can immediately think of Irish names ("O'Reilly" and so on), and foreign-language names may use what appears to be punctuation as a substitute for diacritics. Quite likely to be other traps as well, names are notoriously tricky to allow for. -- 1997:

it means, "the time signature, given in hours:minutes:seconds (e.g., "2:32:14" for two hours, 32 minutes, 14 seconds) from the beginning of the episode in question where the referenced information is stated", or something similar. Then,

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template, I am placing my questions here. I am having trouble figuring out exactly how to use this template in order to cite a television program (which is its intended purpose, yes?). The documentation includes instructions such as

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I support this change: citations should stick to the source as closely as possible; searching for a volume that uses Roman numerals requires them to be used in the first place; changing from Roman to Arabic numerals is error-prone.

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If Module:Citation/CS1/Local is to become part of the module suite proper, then the copy at en.wiki must contain sufficient comments and code to give editors at other wikis some idea of how it may be used. The current content of

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if all the bugs were fixed, and continuous runs were possible, it would still take months to clear the categories. There is no drawback to letting editors trigger the bot manually to get ahead of the queue, like we do for

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value longer than 4 characters but not wholly uppercase roman numerals (though it is mixed case roman numerals) so not bolded. Additionally, the last example will be added to a (yet-to-be-created) property category

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The edit request went through and I have made the appropriate edits to the sandbox modules (catching a missing patch note on the way). You will need to verify the change on a page which has no other citations using

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There is no need to specify the total number of pages in a source, even when you are listing it in a sources section and using sfn or the like. It doesn't matter whether a reference is 100 pages long or 300 pages

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apparently says to use "Vol." followed by the volume number. This is a brief bit of research, but I did not find any that said "bold unless the volume number is longer than n characters or is not just numbers".

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encouraging to do them better (since the way to do a cite is presented as a line for people to copypaste into the wiki, it sets bad habits from the start and doesn't encourage people to make a copy at all).

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There have been discussions here in the past that caused us to leave wikiproject page in the categorization. I see no reason why those pages can't be fixed, especially the wikiproject medicine translation

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the Date template should only be used internally in templates, not directly in articles. If you have been using it in articles please go back and change the articles to avoid the use of the Date template.

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I agree with adding an error or maintenance message here at least for the comma pattern, which is common enough, but not with adding a link to Citation bot. That's a separate request and should remain so.

615:; I'm sure there are plenty of other instances where there would be punctuation in those fields that would be "fixed" because someone who programmed the bot assumes names to all behave in a certain way. 6444:

from no to yes if a preemptive archive was added, thus switching the linked title from the original link over to the archive when a link has gone dead and an editor has already supplied an archive link.

2025:... unless "program" means "series"?). Next: there is "url", which is supposed to link to a text version of the episode (which would be its... transcript? Script?)... Where do I place a url to the 6122:

in some sort of a strict noun-form definition. I rather see author as a more generic term that can and should be applied as a parameter that names one who has created something that is being cited;

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So. My questions remains...How best to proceed? Is there a way to put both the original edition and the reprint/facsimile edition of a book in a cite? They're the same...yet different-ish. Thanks,

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which, because of its free-form nature and the diversity of human naming constructs, is not included in citation metadata. cs1|2 is not bound by writer's guild rules just as it is not bound by

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this would be a pretty hugely helpful addition. If you can implement the 'botfixable = true' part, I can sync the sandbox to keep which errors are bot-fixable with current bot functionality.

1914:, so I understood that I can experiment my idea like that. I need to reset sandbox to ensure that my experiment is the only diff, and to see that it work correctly without any other diffs. 194:

parameter on discussion pages will preserve the error message (which is sometimes being discussed, so should not be removed or "fixed") while removing the error category from the page. –

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Calling something which you do not understand "redundant" "pointless clutter" does not seem particularly apt to give the impression of someone who is seeking better understanding. --

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My experience with fixing pages in the Knowledge space and on page archives is that I almost never see an objection. In some cases, careful and documentation-compliant use of the

859:. This tweak uses code already in place to override certain MediaWiki supported names / codes that aren't appropriate for use with cs1|2. There are relatively few instances of 208:

All right, if you both think there won't be an issue with me making the fixes, that's what I'll do. I'll be on the lookout for instances where the error is intentional. Thanks!—

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Common usage section (should include |archive-url=| and |archive-date=| even though if usage isn't as common as it should be and a lot of pages are NOT saved and protected from

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to say you can't choose to do that.Personally, I would probably re-cite all instances to the original, as that is in the public domain and is easily accessible online (e.g. at

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in the edition you have at the page number provided in the existing citation, and then simply delete the information for the other edition.There is no (reasonable) way to cite

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indicates a PDF document. Other wikis copy citations from en.wiki and these other wikis may not have current version of the cs1|2 modules (may still be using some version of

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citations, depending on in which edition you found the information that the citation supports. Then, if you like, you can go find all the citations to the edition that you do

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It doesn't say why it should only be used in templates, or even why it should be used in templates. Started a discussion there, at least the reasons should be documented. --

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that may provide data for Editor Jonesey95's musings. Recall that property categories do not emit messages and are subject to the same restrictions as all other categories.

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denying that you are allowed to play in the sandbox; all we ask is that you don't undo changes that have been made in answer to other issues addressed here on this talk page.

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The URL is opaque and ending in ".pdf" (or anything else) has no defined meaning. What determines the type of file is the HTTP Content-Type header in the response message.

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I think that this is a good idea but I am opposed to how you have acted to implement the idea. Why did you blow-away all of the changes that are queued for the next update?

1616:*{{cite news | newspaper = Free Press | publication-place = Granville NY | location = Castleton VT | title = Tree Lighting Wednesday | publication-date = December 7, 2018}} 1222: 836:

Valencian is a language closely related to Catalan and has official status in Spain. But, MediaWiki does not recognize it as a language. There is an IETF language tag,

2993:; turn the bot loose on the category pages. Those articles that remain in those categories after the bot runs have completed would not be aided by this proposed change. 1721:

I'm not opposed to this idea but I am opposed to how you have acted to implement the idea. Why did you blow-away all of the changes that are queued for the next update?

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Doesn't author1 alias to last1? I've been admonished for conversions to use authorN because it messes up lastN. This leaves me confused on what is and isn't acceptable.

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Public Health Assessment Final Release Vapor Intrusion and Off-Site Irrigation Well CONTINENTAL CLEANERS MIAMI, MIAMI-DADE COUNTY, FLORIDA EPA FACILITY ID: FLD982130098

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different total number of pages. Look at the above, I think the example with editions of 200 and 400 pages is quite simple and you can understand what the problem is.--

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These are two entirely separate citations: one to a book published in 1902 (the original) and one published in 1974 (the facsimile). They are both editions of the same

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Maybe we can start with adding the link for some specific errors where the bot is most helpful? Maybe one of those for which the tracking categories know 5k-10k cases.

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Citoid includes |language=en. The citation module obviously does not render anything in the final output. It is useful for translators to know what the language is. --

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types, the whole discussion will spin out of control, "no consensus" will be the result, and you won't get any of what you want. Let's start by limiting the scope to

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Since some local wiki use non-Gregorian calendar, so we need to call function from local module (if exists) to convert date to Gregorian calendar as demonstrated in

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Yeah, figured there probably wasn't a real WP-way to use both. Nice to have the confirmation (and thanks for that link to the Internet Archive version). Cheers,

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is fine and valid. It would not be caught by the minimal proposal immediately above, since it does not have invalid terminal punctuation. Commas and periods in

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which has the offending rule. Removing the div#content from the rule would reduce the specificity to 2 classes and 1 element. The specificity on the other is

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Can/should we adjust the module so that it only finds errors in Main space? I'm assuming this has come up for other maintenance categories but I'm not sure.—

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Price and physical condition is really not needed, but information about the total number of pages sometimes helped me out. However, thanks for the advice.--

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at other-language-wikis tell readers of those wikis that this particular source is written in English so that is as useful to them as citations here with

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is an explicit labelling of content type. Thus, inferring file type by a heuristic inspection of the opaque URL and relying on the explicit labelling in

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What I take from the above quick survey is that we are on our own, and that we do not appear to conform to any standard citation format when it comes to

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I am strongly opposed to adding any links to Citation bot while the bot's operators (in this case its maintainers, through its defaults) do not respect

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It's a separate, but related request. Citation bot can fix those errors, and there's no reason to make things more editor-hostile than they have to be.

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reprint of a book originally published in 1902, but the pages vary on each version...I want to cite both editions in the same cite if I can... Thanks.

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I don't see any need to use Roman numerals. I would just write the volume number in Hindu-Arabic numerals, no matter what numerals the publisher used.

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OK, so it's only meant for news stories with a so-called dateline (which really isn't a date). The result is quite grotesque if there isn't an author:

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That said, I believe the intent of the template is to hold the proceedings themselves, not the papers published in the proceedings. You should prefer

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are not equivalent and replacing explicit labelling with the non-standards-compliant heuristic method would be both incorrect and a worse solution. --

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In plain English please? Because if you link to a PDF file, and the template automatically determined it to be a PDF file and automatically appends

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Given or first name, middle names, or initials of the author; don't wikilink, use 'authorlink'; can suffix with a numeral to add additional authors

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It isn't the use of the template that gives the error but the resulting format that is the error. YMD (2019 February 3) is not a format allowed by

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and if so, what value is the correct one and if it is kept, wouldn't a more correct parameter name be advisable as episodes don't have authors? --

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More generally, I wonder if it is truly necessary to keep this mostly-legacy special-cased behavior around. I would actually move to remove it. --

5107:(search for pdf). That icon is a background image. That type of image does not allow for alt text so, for accessibility reasons, cs1|2 adds the 5369:

I can imagine this being useful if the title of the work cited is not in English, but the work is; a book called "La Vie en Rose", for instance.

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and if so, what value is the correct one and if it is kept, wouldn't a more correct parameter name be advisable as episodes don't have authors?

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is 'their' language, it is not rendered there. The exception is (for all wikis) when the local language is one of several languages listed in

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No. Conference proceedings papers are not journal papers and they are not magazine papers. If you're not willing to use the one-size-fits-all

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value if it looks like a number written with roman numerals (only letters from the set ). Probably should include a similar rule when the

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Clearly the former, as far as the reader/editor is concerned. The question is, is there a technical reason of some kind to not do this.

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At the risk of sounding like the proverbial stuck record: If you see a weakness in the cs1|2 documentation, do some research and fix it.

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Author parameters are about the author(s) of the source so if Abraham Lincoln is the author of the source and the template uses

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Not sure if I should be asking here or at MOS but I've noticed recently that a lot of citations are now including |language=en.

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It doesn't. Knowing the 35th edition has a total of 443 pages, and that the 32nd edition has 473 pages tells me nothing useful.

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Per OKIWILLHEREYOUGO following is the mangled/error-riddled cite etc. It cannot be left as is so I'm going to fix it. Somehow.:

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The generic descriptions that appear in all relevant cite xxx documentation pages is deficient. It allows one to figure out

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Not really sure what to call this exactly, but we should have some category to flag citations in need of general cleanup.

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all the time – even if you and I might think they shouldn't – so that's full stop and comma for starters. Just saying. --

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It isn't for the translators but for the readers of en.wiki articles that have been translated for use on other wikis.

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article, and the icon indicating subscription access is not appearing in the reference. The parameters seem to work for

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does have an author, but not all scripts have the visual style written in them, which comes from the director (or even

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distinguish the source for a citation/reference which is what this template is used for. Please educate me? TIA HAND —

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Because of this I have tweaked the module sandbox to accept Crimean Tatar and render that name when the code is used:

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Unlike a book were it is mostly written by one person with an editor, the episode has many moving parts. An episode

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in the same article. Has the url-access parameter been disabled for this template? Was it inadvertently broken? --

700: 270: 47: 38: 17: 5753:- what exactly should be added here? The directer? Teleplays writers? Story writers? Showrunners? Seems this (and 4085:

which will override the pdf icon with the access lock. I am not a css expert so there may be a better solution.

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Plain-text search for "publication-place" constrained to the Template talk namespace in no particular order here:

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seems like unnecessary cluttering of the references, but I would like to know if this has been decided already?

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and a couple other parameters) is valid, but if you keep trying to expand the scope, you'll get objections from

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whatever it is in the episode that you are citing. What is it that I am not understanding about your question?

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Yes, you are correct, but the issue is still the same as it talks about the author. Also, one parameter above:

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which is 2 classes and 1 element, so that would override the common.css declaration (as it is loaded later). --

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these editions in a single CS1-based citation template, and, as you've found, even doing so in plain text in a

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Template_talk:Citation/Archive_4#location_field_for_citing_a_periodical_when_article_may_be_print_online_only?

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So, Editor Ans, why is this change made? Is it necessary? Does it really serve the purpose that you intend?

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for, the meaning of that parameter may be lost forever. Maybe we should document it as a mystery parameter.

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that is wholly digits or wholly uppercase roman numerals is bolded. The last case, is a citation that has

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an immediate justification of such an edit by use of the parameter in that way but, I don't see one there.

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the same time all 3 are not authors of an episode. So asking again, should this parameter be available in

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Perhaps, but again that would be a rare occurrence and could be dealt with as an exception to the rule. -

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is not the template for you. cs1|2 does not support total pages; does not support physical descriptions,

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I'm pretty sure that we have considered this option in the past. It is easy enough, I think, to bold the

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Hi, do not know what has happened yesterday but there are a significant number of articles being added to

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Title of existing Knowledge article about the author; can suffix with a numeral to add additional authors

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obviously confusing parameters: "title" and "series". The TemplateDate says that I use the title of the

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overnight, I would guess about 200. They all appear to be from a change to the way something outputs the

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No need to guess what I really was asking, as I plainly said it 3 different types in 3 different ways

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the stage direction, etc. Name the person or persons (never more than one in a single parameter) who

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with 1 ID, 2 (pseudo) classes/attributes, and 2 (pseudo) elements. We maybe should see about changing

2689:, when you have an incomplete citation (missing mandatory parameters), you have (the rather outdated) 2675:

Help talk:Citation Style 1/Archive 29 § Give a citation bot link when mandatory parameters are missing

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that lists all of the 2- and 3-character codes / language names supported by MediaWiki along with the

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automatically fills in the fields from a URL, and people might just not notice or care to remove it.

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because that template is processed before the cs1|2 template; the module only sees the result of the

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when the URL is evidently ending in .pdf -- the template is able to detect it and add the PDF icon,

3975: 6607: 6251: 6147: 5939: 5710: 5420: 5005: 4456: 4451:, what is your antecedent for the word "that"? There are a few different things discussed above. – 4366: 3919: 3875: 3860: 3845: 3810: 3767: 3667: 3662:"For example, it helps to navigate in different editions of the book, including various e-books."-- 3589: 3511: 3506:. For example, it helps to navigate in different editions of the book, including various e-books.-- 3489: 3473: 3324:

Alexander C. Casselman, ed., Richardson's War of 1812, Vol. 1 (Toronto: Historical Publishing Co.)

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but this change will allow for other similar language codes / names that are, or may be, buried in

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Which part did you not understand? And the templates do not add any parameters by themselves, so

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Hm, different people have different backgrounds, experiences and uses for our citation templates.

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I reverted the changes to /Configuration also without prejudice to some future implementation. --

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though. Wasn't considering the apostrophe as punctuation, although I suppose it technically is.

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write citations that do not include the names of those people in the citation metadata because

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with my findings. As I said there, the rules here probably need to have a selector added, e.g.

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may be appropriate for th.wiki but clearly is not appropriate here or at other non-Thai wikis.

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Template talk:Date#Shouldn't use 30 September 2024 in articles. Easy cleanup using safesubst:

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accommodated that code/name pair until they were added to MediaWiki. MediaWiki now supports

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Well, I believe GreenC was looking for feedback and discussion on the merits of an explicit

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This should be rather straightforward to code, when something mandatory is missing, append

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Astronomical Applications Dept. (10 August 2017). Written at the closet under the stairs.

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would be used for the same publication. Example that uses both, but not in a sensible way:

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wherein there exists an improperly marked-up category link. That page is transcluded into

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must author an episode because fully-formed episodes don't simply appear as if by magic.

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Just systematically bold the volume number, regardless of length, like should have been

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aliases and the rules for their use and rendering. Give us links to those discussions.

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Now I'm not sure what you are asking. The common element of the texts you quoted is:

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No, I've been working on a secret you-know-what-I-want version of copy/pasta control (

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Why? If the bot can fix these kinds of errors, there are whole long lists of them at

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accessdate_missing_url = { message = '<code class="db-Y3MxLWNvZGU": -->

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when they are automatically added, because it's just pointless clutter to have.

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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The code as written is hardwired to either the sandbox or the live version of

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bold all of |volume= when value is all digits or all uc roman numerals; see

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which does include English in the output so-as not to mislead the reader. --

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Something is goofy there; it looks like a false positive. The date stamp is

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fighting link rot, one of which is in the background doing things already.

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I intend to update the live modules over the weekend of 19–20 January 2019

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are synonyms, but it is not explained why still another related parameter,

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page: The number of a single page in the source that supports the content.

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as 2018-12-04Tnn:nn:nnZ, ie including a time element. You can see this on

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for them, I believe the recommended choice is (completely non-obviously)

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Updating them in September 2018? Have you invented time travel lately? --

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Similarly, when the cs1|2 modules are used on other-language-wikis, when

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as a test, and limiting the terminal character testing to something like

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Thanks. I think that I have managed catch all of the articles involved.

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Also the hidden categories say there's some ] in some of the references.

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Please never support that, and maybe throw an error when that is used.

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editors of a problem; not for advertising someone's pet bot project. --

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minutes: Time the event occurs in the source; followed by "minutes in".

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Template_talk:Citation/core/Archive_10#Agency,_newspaper,_and_location

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You can always add the total pages info after the template's closing

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with what that citation had used as the "title" better placed as the

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supported by IANA that describes Valencian as a variant of Catalan.

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Those two pages are the only talk pages ones listed in the category.

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is redundant when the file type extension of the value assigned to

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Total number of pages is irrelevant, and should not be mentionned.

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should end with a comma. Other similar errors could be found, like

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because episodes don't have authors? I dispute that last notion;

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The documentation is not protected. You are welcome to edit it. –

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doesn't make it necessary to fill in the parameter with "en" here.

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Whether that's a bug or intended behaviour I'm not certain of. --

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Template_talk:Cite_news/Archive_5#Agency,_newspaper,_and_location

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that caused some cs1|2 templates to be improperly categorized in

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are Crimean Tatar and Crimean Turkish. crh.wikipedia.org is the

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One such error is having a comma at the end of a parameter, e.g.

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The publisher is the company that publishes the work being cited

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i18n; add support for YYYY mmmmm DD date format (ml.wiki); see

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Is the question that you are really trying to ask: Can we add

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annotation. It does this by inspecting the value assigned to

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along with its attendant aliases and related parameters from

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update to the live cs1/2 module weekend of 19–20 January 2019

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possible to allow date={{date}} template for date parameters?

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I disagree. The total number of pages is always indicated in

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here, and since "title" parameter is usually required (as in

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I suggest that you confer with editors in projects that use

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exists for all cs1|2 templates, it is not likely to go away.

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around ISBN to prevent reversal at right-to-left wikis; see

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window to announce what should be the expectation anyway. -

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Vertical version of commonly used parameters for Cite book?

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Have you heard about percentages, proportions, and so on?--

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Should the template even allow both dates to be displayed?

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I have fixed the grammar while waiting for a response from

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is not the obvious title for the proceedings, at least in

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maint message presentation now part of cfr.presentation{};

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using rules similar to those used by MediaWiki:Common.css.

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parameter, depending on what you are trying to achieve. –

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That said, the specificity on the styling is pretty high:

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Since this appears to to be the default talk page for the

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recognize n and mdash entities in page/issue ranges; see

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It's the PDF icon interfering with the access lock icon.

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Category:Pages using citations with accessdate and no URL

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is meant to be used to hold the name of the proceedings.

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is redundant. Or is it used for other purposes also? --

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so is not allowed by cs1|2. Allowed date formats using

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I've added a few |url-access=subscription parameters to

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So asking again, should this parameter be available in

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Thanks. I look forward to perusing the new category. –

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All the more reason to make volume appear in boldface.

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parameter is written using only the digits in the set .

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I think you are confused. That definition comes from

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add lang codes for Hindi, Kazakh, Khmer, Nepali, Tamil

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is not registered as a language extension (extlang in

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Thank you very much for the well justified opinion.--

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I have often thought that the conditional bolding of

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is a relatively new ISO 639-3 code for Montenegrin.

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about the ease of working with these icons. FWIW. --

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in the text to use refs on it with "sfn" template.--

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facsimile edition by Coles Publishing Co., Toronto,

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As I've advocated, we should match the rendering of

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since some citations presumably have something like

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Written at Castleton VT. "Tree Lighting Wednesday".

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can suffix with a numeral to add additional authors

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Template-protected edit request on 17 December 2018

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