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If you can fine a page number for this source and it is reliable, the info should be included. However, since a reliable source (the 10th
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I was in the 10th MTN from 1991-1993 while in 110th MI Bn and again from 1994-1997 after switching to the infantry in 1/87 IN. Whenever there was snow on the ground we used sleds to haul equipment while in the field all the time. While the sleds did sometimes have a mind of there own, hauling stuff
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Well, if I remember the words he used correctly, they were "full dress". Whether it was what is considered "dress uniform" nowadays (or prior to WWII), is not important; the point that was impressed on them was to look as fancy as possible. I know he explicitly mentioned that they had to wear white
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According to my father (who was in the 10th during WWII), this division was scheduled to be part of the invasion of the home islands -- an assertion he's repeated many times over the last 4-5 decades. However, the article on this event fails to mention the 10th having any part in this. Can anyone
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Hi. I was undecided about this for awhile, since as far as I know, the above comments are correct, and the name been officially changed to Mountain instead of Infantry. However, the reasons I finally decided to go along with the change
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