1217:'Lepers, Jews and Moslems: The plot to overthow Christendom in 1321', History 66 (1981), pp. 1-17. Bernard Gui, Inquisitor at Toulouse between 1307 and 1324, refers to a plot in his Vita Joannis XX11 (excerpta ex chronicis quae nuncupantur Flores chronicorum seu Cathalogus pontificum Romanorum), Nirenberg, D. in his 'Communities of violence: persecution of minorities in the Middle Ages (1996) refers to it as a plot repeatedly e.g. p60 'Outside the chronicle tradition, the danger that Phillip's avarice was believed to bring upon his kingdom was expressed through the lepers' plot.' As mentioned it is also refered to as a plot elsewhere on wikipedia. I appreciate that these may not be bullet proof and that my concern about the fact that it was not a plot still holds true but on balance since neither scare nor persecution have any citeable references, 1321 Lepers' plot is the best option if followed immediately in the introduction with clarification that it was an alleged plot. What do you think?
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the citeable references the terms 'leper persecution', 'lepers' conspiracy' or 'lepers' plot' are used. I appreciate that if the more usual description of '1321 lepers' plot' is entered e.g. into google it will still bring this page up due to the reference to the alternative description in the introduction. The title, lepers' plot, is used elsewhere in
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Santiago de Compostela (one branch going through Huesca) or east to Rome. Santiago was more popular because of wars, robbers, etc on the Roman road, although some travellers or guides did both. I suspect political instability somewhere, probably in France, led to the 1321 scare, for I think this scare predated the first outbreak of the Black Death by at least a decade. French persecutions of Jews often occurred in waves and spilled over the Pyrennees. What's particularly odd is the restriction to Aragon, then a long-lived and politically adept King, since most of the travelers would also be traveling through the less-stable at this time kingdoms of Castile and Leon. But Aragon's ports were hit harder by the Black Death, because of overcrowding as well as the rats traveling on ships.
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I would like views and advice on changing the the title of this page. I am new to editing so wish to respect the integrity of wikipedia. However the title 'The 1321 leper scare' is not how this event is referred to normally, so anyone searching, eg through google would not enter this description. In
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Something seems off or missing about this new article, which starts by plugging a theory of one particular academic, though it uses four sources. Trouble is, I don't have time to research and fix it. This was the heyday of the great pilgrimage routes through France, which after the
Pyrennes could go
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Hi, I am new to wikipedia and recently registered. I thought I would make my first contribution by editing and adding to this page on the the 'leper Scare' since firstly it is categorised as worth improving and secondly I have recently written a paper on the subject as part of my masters degree and
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I suggest the title would more usefully be 1321 leper persecution, which is factually correct and closer to how it is referred to in cited works. Then in the first paragraph we can say, as it does, commonly known as the 'lepers plot' etc. Note quotations marks? Alternatively go with Lepers plot as
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It is not "encyclopaedic tone" to refer to a specific expert in the lead section? Pardon me, but where did you read that? Anyway, it is perfectly appropriate to refer to mass hysteria as hysteria. Sources do, naturally, and it is quite easy to verify that if need be; of course, the article already
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I am sorry, but I have no idea what your point is. What do you mean by "plugging a theory of one particular academic"? Which theory and which academic are you referring to? What do you believe needs fixing? Finally, I don't see what you mean when you say that "something seems off or missing about
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On reflection I agree 1321 leper persecution is not the right title, though a more accurate description than scare it is not used in sources as way of describing it. However I have found several references to lepers' plot both in citeable secondary and primary sources. Examples are Barber, M.,
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