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those factors were some of those considered. But it seems an arbitrary statement about what was "mainly" considered, unsupported by the reference given (I do not recall any statement in the Final Report to that effect, please correct me if I am wrong). If we are going to state what the main factors for the commission's findings were, in a case this controversial, the statement needs to be impeccably supported by the reference.
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we should then establish the aircraft in question, populate it with a flight crew, give the weather, time of day, flight plan and set it in motion up until the crash. The example below needs one or two more paragraphs until impact, but you get the idea, What I want to do here is separate the factual information from the analysis and conclusions. So the first part of article is organized
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This is much the same way as accident reports worldwide are written, and its good practice. The raw data isn't really the cause of disputes, it is the analysis that is. There is no better example than this crash itself, where you have polar opposite conclusions as to probable cause, but the RSA, USSR
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The Final Report, somewhat uniquely, doesn't favour either English or Metric measurements. That is for a reason: with the different instrumentation on the aircraft using different standards how the flight crew reported distances (i.e., "10km" instead of "6nm") gave clues as to which instruments they
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Whatever information regarding analysis from whomever that was dropped will be added back in later. Nothing is lost on WP. However this article has been tagged for 3 1/2 years for lack of citations and original research, and has been fairly static that entire time. Gotta start somewhere ladies. Next
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Ack. That statement is sourced to the Final Report, but I'm not sure if my discomfort is because it is too broad or too specific (seriously). If you are talking about what all aircraft accident investigations do, I suppose those things are some of the things always considered. In this specific case,
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The Mozambican delegation, representing the state of registry of the aircraft, had a right by international treaty to review a draft of the report and submit their comments for consideration. The Mozambican team provided 11 pages of suggested corrections to the draft, some of which were adopted by
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recorded the navigator stating the distance to Maputo as 100km, a comment from the captain about the turn, and the navigator responding that the "VOR indicates that way". Around 21:15 the navigator stated the distance to Maputo as 60km. Over the next few minutes there were several comments from the
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showed the aircraft and all its systems were operating normally. The flight crew of five consisted of a captain, co-pilot, flight engineer, navigator and radio operator, who were all USSR State employees operating the aircraft for the Mozambican government. They were well experienced flying in both
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Please ignore the above for now, and let me projectile-spew content instead. Here is an example of what I would have for the accident flight. The background that currently exists in the article gives context to the political situation and the reasons for Machel going to Mbala. Good. So then I think
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section should just be shitcanned (weasely and unsourced, except for the rebuttal) and incorporated into the Margo section with the reader given an accurate description of the way these investigations are handled by international treaty. Currently the statement in there is "South Africa was obliged
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of the New Zealand Office of Air Accidents Investigations about the possibility of tampering with or replacing the genuine Maputo VOR signal with a decoy. His conclusions were that it would be "simple" to setup a mobile VOR, however in order to effectively replace the genuine signal the Maputo VOR
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is the best example I can think of, when a bitterly divided (five against four) Canadian investigative board issued two separate reports, now colloquially (officially?) referred to as the majority report and minority report. But in this case, where invited parties to the investigation (but not the
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is complete retardese. The redundant "Tupolev" in there is bad enough, but more importantly the aircraft model involved in the crash isn't notable. The death of the 1st President of Mozambique, widely viewed to have been an assassination, and still having incredibly strong emotional resonance 25
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Err, the placeholder text is filled in easily, a trained monkey should be able to do that from the source material. Sourcing isn't an issue - it's not like I make this stuff up; I read the source material, sleep on it, and when I wake up under my pillow there is a note with 5 paragraphs of prose
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Well, crud, that didn't work. That was 5 (too) long paragraphs. For readability I split it into 2 sub-sections with general descriptors. What bothered me about the section breaks before were (1) they were inaccurate as to the actual division of information in the text, and (2) they were somewhat
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1. "The Soviet delegation issued a minority report(...)" is wrong. There was no "minority report"; the ONLY report of this accident was the official RSA one. As parties to the investigation the USSR and Mozambique could, and did, within a 60-day period after a draft had been completed give their
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The statement is not supported by the reference. Please show me where in the given source it states that. The biggest problem with that statement is the over-emphasis on the South African contributions to the investigation, ignoring the international participation, and thus inferring bias and a
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an opinion, but the opinion of the Board of Inquiry. I can't stress this enough: the probable cause of this accident does not mention the turn at all. Over the course of the report the turn is acknowledged, examined in depth, and different scenarios for why the aircraft might have gone astray
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that use the term "minority report", I think the overall weight of sourcing available, especially those focused on aviation, make it clear that there was only one report, with no "official" dissent. The Aviation Safety Network source doesn't even mention any alternative theory to the official
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First, what exactly do we want to explain to the reader here? Flight recorders seized for a while, documents on board the plane examined, Botha (I guess both) acting "badly". Four sentences ladies, that's all it takes. And those four sentences need to be sourced better than now. Look at the
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Over the next eight minutes the aircraft maintained its required track to Maputo with minor lateral deviations. Then, at 21:10, the airplane commenced a turn away from Maputo to the right, lasting almost one minute in duration and a resulting heading change from 184° magnetic to 221°. The
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when I see that, and it just better to start from scratch. As for the article itself, while my list of grievances is long, the article itself is awesome and I <3 all who worked on it. I had never heard about this before, and its fascinating and so very notable. This could easily be a
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Awesome, sounds like a legit archive of news stories. I saw a wall of Afrikaans text and a non-descriptive URL and assumed the worst. I changed all the references to link direct to the sources, which I think is good. I'll add archive links as backups in those cases, which is better
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in 1980 according to specifications for Mozambique. It had flown a total of 1,105 flying hours since new, and had underwent its last major inspection August 1984 in the USSR. Service records indicated that it had been properly maintained, and data recovered from the
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C9-CAA was led astray by a intentional decoy navigational beacon, this would not have caused the crash. The is a fundamental finding of the investigative body that is not currently addressed by the article (nor by the TRC). You cannot crash an aircraft with a false
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navigation beacon while maintaining an altitude of 35,000 feet. At 21:02 the crew radioed that they were ready to begin their decent, and after being instructed by Maputo to report reaching 3,000 feet altitude or when the runway was in sight, began descending.
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There was indeed one report, but this was followed by a world of well-publicised conspiracy theories challenging the official report by the apartheid government of SA; also, some very prominent people coming out and sharing their conspiracies theories in the
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comments and propose changes to the draft which the RSA could either incorporate into the draft (which was done for some of Mozambique's submissions), or not and instead just append the comments (in the case of the USSR's) to the final version. The whole
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Technically, its not the "Margo Commission" but the "Report of the Board of Inquiry into the accident to Tupolev 134A-3 aircraft C9-CAA on 19th October 1986". Using "Margo Commission" wouldn't be so bad if that wasn't the exact same term used in
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That's a good point. Even if just one source used for the article referred to the 37 page submission of the USSR as "The Minority Report" that should be reflected in the text. However, in that case I'd prefer the text to read something like
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A memorial would be ballpark, but hardly the best source. There is not good reason to use the memorial coordinates over that over the Factual Report. I don't think the your last statement about GPS is accurate at all (airliners did have
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looks to me like a MS Flight Simulator screenshot (seriously, am I the only one?) Compare it to allhttp://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:1986_Mozambican_Tupolev_Tu-134_crash&action=edit&section=9 of Gennady Misko's other
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OK, I think I finally understand what the website these articles are on is, "Media 24 Archive". "Media24 operates and maintains the Media24 Archive consisting of a web enabled database of articles from the following sources..."
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ones in charge) submit a different opinion for consideration isn't uncommon. Page one of the report ends with the declaration "Our decision is unanimous", and I think that it is important for the text to be equally definitive.
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and fixing it, but I feel I have a civic duty to warn everybody that those geo-coordinates are usually wrong. NEVER trust them. In any case they should be (per the Final Report): Lat. 25 54' 41" S, Long. 31 57" 26".
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Really? The co-ordinates were placed (by me) over the memorial - hardly out the ball park. GPS did not exist when the accient happened, so the coords in the official report are likely to be unprecise anyway.
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No sub-sections every 2 paragraphs. We should give the reader enough credit to be willing to read 5 consecutive paragraphs of prose, and in return we pledge not to interrupt them repeatedly with bold text.
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In the context of aviation, which I think the first half of this article should focus on, the USSR's submission should be given much less weight; in fact in that context it is close to
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article shows Tu-134s in liveries closer to the actual accident aircraft in 1986, thus more representative and better for use in the article. The current image is an airliner in 2008.
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link isn't working and it think(?) the Dispatch website doesn't allow Wayback Machine bots to crawl and archive, so I can't find another version, so for now I dropped it. Same with
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I'm going through the refs reformatting them into "Notes" and "References" allowing us to cite multiple different sections of a source without clutter. Mostly this is working fine.
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editorializing. It's way too easy to over-emphasize the 37 degree turn, when , as the cliche goes, that is just one thing in a long chain of connected events that led to this crash.
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References that point to specific pages instead of requiring the reader to search. Verifiability should be made as easy as possible for the reader for each and every reference.
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I don't see what currently is there that should be kept. It's actually more refuting the Mozambican submission than stating it clearly and fairly. Replace with the following.
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crew that the navigational aids at Maputo were not working, including the captain saying "There is no Maputo" and "Everything switched off", and the navigator saying that the
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statement of fact is followed by a reference that explicitly supports it. These statements of fact were agreed upon by all parties to the investigation and are not disputed.
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I've assessed this article as C-Class. If attention is paid to sorting out the missing references, this can easily become B-Class, and maybe even progress further.
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has a version of The Citizen article by Paul Kirk. But again, I can't find any better archiving (yet) of the original story, who's URL now doesn't work:
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No explanation for the deviation was agreed upon by the three countries, and there was new evidence that the aircraft turned to follow a false signal.
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I've found the web versions of the Beeld articles on their website and updated the links accordingly, except for the van Rensburg article from 1993:
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territory. For the second half (roughly) of the article, in the context of politics, the theory of a conspiracy should be the focus, appropriately.
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As far as explaining the Mozambique Directorate of Civil Aviation's position regarding the results of the investigation I think this is complete:
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to work in partnership with the state of ownership (Mozambique) and the state of manufacture (Soviet Union).", which is completely inaccurate.
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beacon. You could get the lost, but NOT fly into the ground. A common (and understandable) misconception that C9-CAA intercepted a fake
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were using. We should present the units of measurement as per the Final Report, and then provide the English/Metric equivalent.
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According to Pik Botha the black boxes were not handed to the Soviets because "there was suspicion they would be tampered with"
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isn't useful, its pure gold really. But we should use it specifically to show his recollections, not factual information.
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I know I'm acting a bit nitpicky but a true minority report in an official aircraft accident investigation is very rare.
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The words "minority report" are used in a number of sources to describe the Soviet rebuttal of the South African report.
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sub-section. It's just so wrong to add four sentences of such controversial text without a cite. I completely lose all
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The discrepancies from procedure of the Maputo controller and flight crew were not the main causes of the accident.
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The accident resulted from a critical situation which originated from the right turn away from the planned route.
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when using primary sources (which ARE appropriate in many instances) they need to be always presented as (ex.):
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would have to be turned off. The Mozambican analysis of and findings from the evidence led them to conclude:
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Tertiary analysis of Margo would be great, if it exists. But I would want that to be scholarly analysis,
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considered. But in the end the turn away from Maputo was not determined to be causal to the accident.
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That's interesting, but it's also opinion. Find a reliable source, then add it to the article...
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Machel boarded the airplane at Maputo on the morning of the 19th, and after a refueling stop in
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Botha stated that he informed Mozambican representatives to accompany he to the crash site
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The investigation should be continued in order to determine the origin of the VOR signal.
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are the personal comments of Pik Botha concerning the crash and continuing controversy
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As I mentioned before I think its not great that only source provided for this section
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Separation of factual information from the analysis for the reasons I stated above.
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Thanks for keeping me on the straight track Socrates, with well-placed tags.
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2. Geo-coordinates are AGAIN inaccurate. Sorry for whining instead of just
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OK, I have a complete version I'm putting up. Why I think it is better:
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http://152.111.1.88/Media24_Archive_Web_Site_Terms_and_Conditions.htm
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would be far preferred for content here. Not that the source provided
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The whole section is just Pik Botha's version of events, so reliable
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Lack of free images of the aircraft - do you have something better?
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the Board. In addition Mozambique provided a technical report from
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I've removed it for now, can always be added back in if necessary.
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is to be congratulated for the stirling work done on this article.
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http://www.beeld.com/In-Diepte/Nuus/Machel-omstredenheid-20100617
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This article is in serious need of a cleanup as it is laced with
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That this article is linked to from the image description page.
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
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it sticks out like a sore thumb. I think its just a prank.
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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day and night in Mozambique and in landings at Maputo.
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