989:, and as I have got into it, I have found it needs rather more copy-editing than I first realised. The nominator is not up to it, and neither is someone who tried a bit of copy-editing, so I have been doing some, and I am getting to the point where I may be getting too involved and so would appreciate a second opinion before I pass it. There is a bit of work still to be done, but I feel it could be listed with just a decent copyedit, so am reluctant to let it go at this point. A second opinion either now or in a few days time when hopefully I will have found the time to work through the rest of the article, would be appreciated. Alternatively, if you want to pitch in and help with the copy-editing, that would be great!
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Gerhard Berger image. Ideally the article would have images of drivers and cars taken at the 1995 Brazilian Grand Prix; alternatively the images would be fairly neutral, such as the one of Mika Häkkinen where he does not appear in driving kit, and also identified as to when the image was taken so the reader is not mislead into thinking that is how a driver looked at the time of the race. The current use of mismatched images may not be a deal breaker, though I would appreciate the situation being discussed, and - if possible - a pointer to previous discussions.
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the event, and I believe it is preferable to have some generic images rather than none at all. I don't believe this issue has been discussed before, as the F1 race report articles that have been previously reviewed at this level have usually either been (a) recent enough for there to be free images available on Flickr; or (b) old enough for the copyright on images taken at the event to have expired. Exceptions are the 1995
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I've expanded the lead (and corrected the embarrassing error!) to include these additional aspects. To be honest, I don't want to go into any great detail with any of them except the fuel disqualifications, as, although they were all important background issues during the event, they are all rather
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article, for which I was able to source free images from the event. As for the issue of cigarette advertising, I believe that it is not gratuitous, as it shows how Berger looked as a driver in roughly the same time period (if the image was from the 1995 Brazilian Grand Prix with him in his
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Images have appropriate rationales. The article uses images of drivers from other GP events, sometimes different years. The question is raised if this is appropriate. I'm aware that such mismatched images are frequently used on GP articles, so the question must have been raised and answered at some
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I've edited the captions of Häkkinen and Hill to make it clear when the pictures were taken. All the images used are either the only one of the subject available, or were taken closer in time to the event than the alternatives. Unfortunately, I am not aware of any freely-licensed images taken at
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The items I've mentioned are covered in detail in the main body - so if they are considered important (and I would agree they are important) then a mention of them in the lead would be appropriate. The lead should be able to stand alone as an adequate summary of the 1995 Brazilian Grand Prix. The
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After checking the sources I think that more could be said about the fuel checking. This was the first race that new procedures and equipment were used - and that should be mentioned both in the lead, and in the background section. The process should be explained a bit more, and which cars were
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I looked back at previous GP GANs I have done, and in some the issue of the images has come up. One person said that he was told that mismatched pictures of the drivers are OK, but not mismatched pictures of the cars. I think it's a grey area. I don't think there's an actual policy or guideline
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there is no mention of the bumpy condition of the track, the drivers' boycott, the memories of Ayrton Senna, the new fuel rigs, the weight limit changes, etc. You also have both
Schumacher and Hill starting from pole. Also, the details in the lead about Mansel are not as clear as in the main
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bumpy track could be summarised as "despite resurfacing work, the track proved bumpy enough that several drivers complained"; Senna could be summarised as "various tributes were paid over the weekend to the
Brazilian driver Ayrton Senna who had died at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix", etc.
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