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Russian interference was broad and sweeping, involving many crimes, hackings, leaks, lies, conspiracy theories, and because Trump supported every aspect of what they were doing, the whole country (and world) is negatively affected by it. This was not some "empty endorsement". They even hacked very deep into most state's election systems. Much of this was performed by Russian military intelligence, IOW these were acts of war, and anyone who supports the enemy's acts of war is considered a traitor. Think about that. This is all very serious shit, and it hasn't stopped. --
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campaign did this. Therefore, the conclusion and "one sentence" summary is that the
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