Talk:2014 Crimean status referendum/Archive 2

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document you just don't mention the year, you mention the whole date. For example, the Puerto Rican constitution was amended a couple of times, but people refer to the original one as "the July 25, 1952 constitution" and any others as "the so-and-so month-and-date-year, version of the constitution". Unfortunately, the Crimean parliament didn't do this and we now have all this mess because of that little detail that escaped them. My guess is they are under a lot of pressure and their legislative advisors might not even be allowed inside the building. This is why you never make big decisions like this in haste. Oh well, nothing we can do about it except state facts. —

111:. Invalid and blank votes were negligible for this referendum (0.59%). I think you mean "registered voters that did not participate" since that would reflect that 16.9% of the voters didn't present themselves at the polling stations. But to be honest, that's negligible as well. In America, voter turnout is at like 60% for presidential elections and that's more than fine for us. If the results would have been close your request would make sense. But when 80% of the voters turn up to vote and of those 96% vote in favor of a choice.. well, that's pretty much a landslide even if you take into consideration the boycott. — 2299:

there no violencences or illegal actions during it. You could find smth illegal if enemy forces intruded the peninsula and made everyone recognize it as a part of Russian territory (like the US did with Mexico or Spanish colonies in the Pacific ocean), thats what we can call illegal actions and occupation. but in Crimea everything was legal, legitimate and necessary for Crimean people. Read and look reports from Crimea and opinion of the voters, and you will understand. You better study Your Own history before teach someone else how to call such main events for people (even a strange for you).

2852:. What I meant was that some votes were already visible before putting the ballot into the box, since some people did not fold their ballots so that their vote was readily visible to bystanders (as shown in several of the images of the Mashable source). This has little to do with the transparent boxes, but I think it's an important fact to add that secret voting was only optional, since it (unlike the boxes) contradicts democratic standards as I know them. (Also, the voting cabins were semi-transparent, apparently, further reducing secrecy.) -- 31: 3530:

should be conveyed in the Knowledge. (2) I believe the view of the observers who were present at the referendum and who are not afraid to give their name (and thus support their claims) should also be indicated. When the person states something without giving their name or source, especially if the source cannot be confirmed I am suspicious of how true the source actually is. Please consider and make the modification I requested. Thanks.

1470: 999: 874: 105: 142: 3489: 1618:/ Turnout = 1,274,096 / 0.831 = 1,533,208. However, this value MUST be rounded to at most four valid digits to reflect the turnout precision, i.e. 1,533,000. Furthermore, this value is disputed, as a different source says that 1,724,563 votes were cast. As the entire "Percentage of registered voters" column is based on the total number of registered voters, it has the same problem too. — 800: 388:"The referendum will ask the people of these regions whether they want to join Russia as a federal subject, or if they want to restore the 1992 Crimean constitution and restore Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine. Some media also speculated that the referendum has not "no" option and the second option means declaration of independence with joining Russia later". 1214:

moment between themselves (Crimea declared its independence but Ukraine didn't like the idea, so Crimea then included that sentence that established they are part of Ukraine). It was something done 22 years ago. Details like this would be corrected immediately in today's modern world. But this is what happens when you make haste in an unstable region.

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actually saying. If the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People were the representatives of the Tatar people then perhaps it would be warranted but they're just an unofficial political association of Crimean Tatars as the article says. All things considered, and given the already large number of images in the article, I think it should be removed.

3735: 2065:, my understanding is that galleries like this are discouraged. Wouldn't these images be more useful if they were integrated into the article, with captions providing context? Also, with just two images in the "hover" gallery, they appear quite large, at least on my current screen and within my current browser. -- 3064:

There is a template in the "Reactions" section of the article to split those reactions into a separate article (with discussion of the proposed move on the talk page). However, there doesn't seem to have been any discussion on this subject on this talk page or in its archives. Was there a discussion,

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Furthest past the post. Recognising that the candidate with the most votes almost never has more than 50 per cent of the votes cast, some people have suggested that thinking of the post as a starting point rather than a finishing point is more sensible and thus that 'Furthest past the post' is a more

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Yes, I understand you now. However, a fractional number with one decimal place may be either precise or rounded. Without further information, we cannot rely on the number being precise. It would not be an error to say "there were approx. 1,533,000 total registered voters" if there were 1,533,208. But

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contained some incorrect data and also the over-precisely calculated number of registered voters. I tried to correct it, put all available information into the table and fill in the gaps while making it trivial to check it. Maybe some rows and collumns consisting mainly of calculated values should be

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We do in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rican people ratified their constitution in July 25, 1952 so they refer to that version as the "original constitution" or "the July 25, 1952 constitution". Puerto Ricans would then amend their new constitution almost immediately three months later on November 4, 1952. The

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As stated above, to include info on these "observers", WP:NPOV and WP:WEIGHT would require that we provide detailed information on the links to far-right and neo-Nazi affiliations of many of these observers. You can't just say "there were observers and they said it was legitimate" without explaining

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The text that should be replaced is the following: "A senior US official stated there was "concrete evidence" of some ballots having been pre-marked.". The text should be modified because (1) I read the reference and it states exactly that the US official source is not identified. I believe the same

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that the Crimean Electoral Commissioner gave a rounded/imprecise value regarding percentage. Your concern is reasonable but not backed up by sources. The only sources we have state that he simply said, "83.1%". So, we must assume it's just that, 83.1%—not 83.149999999%, or 83.05%, or any other value

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This is ridiculous, dismissing major media outlets as "biased sources" and relying on our own translations? You say that that is your translation, my own translation is that its restoring the 1992 constitution and Crimea's status vis a vis Ukraine. See, we have different interpretations of the text.

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This is a long post-Soviet (and late-Soviet) tradition to make referendum questions intentionally obscure. This allows the authorities a freedom of interpretation of referendum results even if the results of the poll do not support their favorite options. The second option for the Crimean referendum

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And all the sources essentially based on Volodymyr Yavorkiy's opinion or putting out of context words by Vladimir Konstantinov. Really, I can find any number of articles that claim that relativity theory is false. But if I wrote it as an absolute truth in WP, I will be banned. I am not implying that

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To be honest, the referendum does not have an "official name". We included the translations because we were one of the first Knowledge's to have an article on the subject and we wanted to be fair to our non-English speakers. But now that the event is over, and now that several Knowledge's forked the

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There is a standard naming convention for referendums - "Demonym subject, year", which is applied to the vast majority of articles (I have 997 on my watchlist, and a quick review confirms this is the case; the main exception is where there is more than one topic or where the subject is difficult to

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The actions of 5-10 Crimean voters - or however many we have photographic evidence of - does not really matter next to the total 1,524,563 voters. You might say it's indicative of a greater trend (and that's probably true) but I'm not comfortable with Knowledge making that argument on its own. That

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If voting cabins were semi-transparent that should be added, no question. If some people did not fold their ballots that is their own choice. If envelopes had been available and some voters just chose not to use them it wouldn't be notable either. It sounded like the edit was belabouring the point.

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It seems highly contradictory because in some articles they establish complete sovereignty over both their internal and external affairs, but then they say, "we are also part of Ukraine". If you ask me, this was done in haste in 1992 while Crimea and Ukraine were going through a difficult political

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Where does it say in that constitution that it would be part of Ukraine? By those quotes, it declared sovereignty over its own internal affairs, and the ability to conduct foreign affairs with other states. That seems to be absolute independence? Or is it independence but in union with Ukraine like

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Thanks for the input. I wasn't just referring to my edit but also as a guide to future edits on the topic. Based on what you say I suppose there is a good argument for calling them different versions but I don't think the article needs any further elaboration on it anyways. Better to leave all this

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images at two of the three polling stations shown (the third seems to have nontransparent ones). FWIW, I don't agree that "if some people did not fold their ballots that is their own choice". It can put significant societal pressure on any dissenters to "prove" they voted the "right" way; e.g. in

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I recommend the video of Chubarov be removed primarily because it's in Russian but also because he's a somewhat marginal figure. The caption reads, "Refat Chubarov, leader of Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People, commented decision of Supreme Council of Crimea" which gives no indication of what he's

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I think that before you try to edit this article, you should know that the majority of the Crimeas population are Russians. I read smth about cabines for voting upper, it's false, because there was everything that should be on such events as referendum, moreover, each editor is already agree, that

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The issue was re-added to the introduction recently. Firstly, the claim "Many commentators argued that both choices would result in de facto independence." requires more than one citation but I doubt that will be hard to find. My main concern is that it is undue weight to include even well-sourced

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It has been at least three times now that editors reverted the "potential declaration of independence" verbiage. This referendum is clearly between two choices (as the options themselves state) to stay with Ukraine or to join Russia. Anything beyond the simple ballot embedded within the article is

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The question in the IRI poll was: "In your opinion, what should the status of Crimea be?" But, according to the primary source , the question in the KIIS poll was "Ukraine and Russia must unite into a single state". These questions are not equivalent. Clearly, only a subset of people who would

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Hold on, how is posting the actual ballot considered original research? Copy and paste it into any translator and point to the spot where it says "independence"? The "slew of sources" express opinions what the outcome may be, which is fine and which should be reflected in the article, but only as

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You will notice that "Ukraine" is only mentioned three times, and only one of those had a huge impact: "Crimea is a part of Ukraine". This changed everything radically. The previous version didn't mention that anywhere and that version pretty much made Crimea completely sovereign. Having said all

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I think I now understand where all this confusion is coming from and it's from the fact that the ballot does not state which version of the constitution does it refer to when it says "1992 constitution". Constitutions are amended from time to time. That's why when you mention a constitution in a

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the GDR people were "expected" not to use the voting cabins, thereby removing the secrecy of the vote. At least in Germany, it IS forbidden to show your vote to anyone; I would have thought this was common in democratic countries. (But maybe we should discuss this at the article talk page...) --

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In the section "Reports" where it says: "The referendum was observed by 135 international observers from 23 countries with no violations registered", a recent an edit by 85.140.218.205 added that the observers found it legitimate. Since this was taken from the same source, how come the edit was

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Where was the information on the total number of voters taken? Is that being pre-estimated out of the percentage?? I understand to calculate a percent which is simply a ratio, but I do not understand how you get total number of voters by calculation and no provided sources. The infobox mentions

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I apologize if it seems I was complicating things, but the way the statement was written did not seem to attribute the claim to EODE but stated it as if it were objective fact. As you stated yourself: EODE is not an authority on international or Ukrainian law (in fact they are a group led by a

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I agree. Much of the introduction can be moved to a subsection dealing with analysis and interpretation of the referendum options. Clearly it's an issue that is complicated and confusing so it deserves its own section where the details can be fleshed out. As there is no consensus regarding the

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I'm the of those, who won't hide the truth and belittle the importance of that event for the Crimean people (though I'm not from there, but I've been there recently). And in my editing I dont lie (and other editors agreed with it, as you can see in previous talk). Nothing personal, but Nato's

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to integrate the gallery photos into the article I realized that there really isn't any room left. I recommend that the images in the background section be reduced in size, the video of Chubarov be removed because he's a somewhat marginal figure and its in Russian, and the image of Obama and

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1,533,208 × 0.831 = 1,274,096. You don't need to round up three digits. The 1,724,563 figure comes from when you count Crimea+Sevastopol. So, in Sevastopol alone there were 450,467 voters. 1,274,096 voters in Crimea + 450,467 voters in Sevastopol = 1,724,563 voters that showed for the whole

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want just Crimea to be united with Russia answer "yes" to the second question. Therefore, the result of the KIIS poll underestimates the support for Crimea to be united with Russia. Second, I don't see why is there a link to a secondary source, which already misinterprets the poll result.

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Belgian far-right activist), so any claims that they make should carry a caveat to that respect. I think that is better addressed further down in the article where there is space to articulate the precise leanings and biases of the various bodies and nations piping in on this referendum.

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The total registered voters count for Sevastopol is stated directly in the source, but it has the same issue as discussed above: It seems that it has been calculated by the following formula: 274,101 / 0.895 = 306,258. It is very unlikely that the actual count is exactly this value. —

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An unidentified US official was claimed to have stated there was "concrete evidence" of some ballots having been pre-marked. Such claims were rejected by referendum observers who went on record to verify that the referendum followed all international standards and was legitimate .

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it would be bad to say "there were 1,533,208 voters" if there were for example 1,533,196. Furthermore, here it is clear from context, that the cited value is actually "turnout after rounding to one decimal digit". All such percentages are always rounded to some number of digits. —

2515:. Next, I agree that a monitor's opinion on legality is irrelevant unless he is a legal scholar. But I'm not sure that it is ok to insist on not including such well-sourced opinion. Anyway, it is definitely not true, that ALL observers found it legal (see Berkovec above...). — 2423:

And also, if you are so stubborn about it, show me according to which documents its illegal? I didnt see, but I know, that any people anyway have right for self-determination. And you cant argue that its illegal, cause this is false. As it was said before, read the UN rules.

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So, yeah, it seems the 1992 constitution is some sort of construct where Crimea is both a sovereign state but part of Crimea at the same time. It never mentions independence but it does mention sovereignty, territorial integrity, and respect to internal affairs several times.

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Despite having several refs saying its to declare independence, it seems users are ignoring the refs and inserting their own WP:OR interpretation of the referendum (that it wants to stay in Ukraine). Please refrain from disruptive edits that contradict the actual sourcing.

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amendments were so significant that it is common to refer to that version as "the November 4, 1952 constitution". A similar event happened in 1961 and they refer to that one as, you guessed it, "the 1961 constitution". IMHO, the same applies to Crimea. You can see it here:

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So what do we do? We use secondary sources. Right now the entire introduction to this article is a joke, it's textbook original research, and it reads like a C-student's sloppy essay. I hate to describe a wikipedia article as 'amateur' but this right here is the cake. --

1482:. From that data we can extrapolate the number of registered voters that did not participate and calculate everything else correctly. This does not constitute original research and is quite common on Knowledge. I updated the table and it now reflects the correct data. — 3106:"A poll by the International Republican Institute in May 2013 found that 67% wanted to remain in Ukraine and 23% wanted unity with Russia. By early February 2014, just days before the ousting of Viktor Yanukovych, support had risen to 41% in a subsequent KIIS poll." 126:

I really meant those invalid votes (0.71% of cast votes, 0.59% of all registered voters). It is precisely this overwhelmingly high turnout and tiny fraction of invalid votes, what I find unexpected and interesting. Therefore I would like to see it in the article. —

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Crimea is not already an independent state - as your page states, "they express their intention to self-declare themselves independent after a referendum to be held on 16 March" - This is proof positive that Option B on the referendum is to declare independence.

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I don't want to add the "pressure" part to the article without a source, only the fact that several people voted openly, for which we have a (photographic) source. People can draw their own conclusions from this fact, which may be as different as ours here...

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Simple majority voting. A simple majority simply means more than half the votes cast. However, since very few candidates in FPTP elections with more than two candidates achieve this, majority should be read to mean 'relative majority', rather than 'absolute

1949:Председатель Севастопольской городской комиссии по подготовке и проведению общекрымского референдума Валерий Медведев зачитал протокол, согласно которому в списки для голосования были внесены 306 258 человек, 274 101 человек приняли участие в голосовании. 355:

speculation. For that matter, there is no mentioning of independence neither on the ballot or on the 1992 Constitution page. We only include it here as "potential" because CNN, Fox News and Kyiv Post say it might happen. Please keep this article NPOV! --

952:и определяет с ней свои отношения на основе взаимосогласованных законодательных актов и соглашений." (section 1 of art. 9). Roughly translates as "Republic of Crimea is a part of Ukraine and establishes relations with it on a basis of mutually agreed 2901:

In Czech Republic (my country), you will not be allowed to vote if you don't use a cabin, and a ballot, which is not in the official pre-stamped envelope, is invalid. (It would be nice to move this entire discussion to the article's talk page.) —

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The referendum was observed by 135 international observers from 23 countries with no violations registered. The Eurasian Observatory for Democracy & Elections (EODE) observer mission concluded that the referendum was conducted freely and

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Given that option 2 didn't succeed, they didn't adopt a new constitution but the old constitution can't really apply in every respect anymore either. Whatever the case, this shouldn't really be discussed here. Please keep discussion over at

2915:. . . political history. Even so, without a source that reports on concerns of 'societal pressure' as a result of the voting procedure/environment it is original research on our part to speculate about how Crimean voters might have felt. 765:

I guess we could seek consensus on this... Should we use literal translation of a legal document or some biased third party interpretation (and, I'm sorry, but Kiyv Post would be biased on this one). But then again, do we really have to?

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Chairman of the Sevastopol city commission for organisation and holding of the all-Crimean referendum Valery Medvedev has announced protocol, according to which there are 306,258 registered voters and 274,101 voters participated in the

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You're making the same assumption I did - that all the observers were working through the EODE mission but none of our sources explicitly say so (that I could find). Therefore, the statement has to be directly attributed to the EODE.

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this edit describing it in the edit summary as 'subjective'. I don't argue it isn't 'subjective' but the edit clearly attributed the claim 'freely and fairly' to the EODE which is relevant because they were observing the referendum.

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Also I did not say 'any claims that they make should carry a caveat' but just argued that legal claims by the EODE aren't relevant because they aren't a legal authority. Concerns about observer credibility have been discussed under

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It means that values in italic are not in the source given, but all other values are. The missing values are calculated simply by summing or dividing the corresponding values from the table. Please help me to improve the note. —

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Please provide an official document that says that Crimea will "potentially declare their independence" if Option 2 has a majority. Not the opinion of a journalist, not statements given by a politician, but an official document.

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which states, "Knowledge prefers the name that is most commonly used". It's my experience that the referendum is usually referred to simply as 'the Crimea referendum' in the media. Of course, we have to include the year.

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Only summary here is ok. I think the split proposal is good because there are many reactions to referendum. The splitted article for example can be build up by chapters "Reactions before referendum" and "Reactions after

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The excerpt above says that 1,274,096 people voted (this is a precise value) and that the turnout was 83.1%, which has an implied precision of three significant digits. The result is calculated from these two values. —

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I see it wasn't directly attributed to EODE but to the 135 observers. That was an oversight. Also, I assumed that all the observers were working through the EODE mission but that might not be true. How about we phrase

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My mistake. I thought I read through that whole article but I guess I missed that. If aktualne.cz is reliable then I don't think you need to preface it with "Aktuálně.cz claimed". I'll look for better sources as well.

806:: can someone find us a version of the 1992 constitution? If we have that we can check what it says and find out if that versions says Crimea is "an independent state" and whether it is "as a part of Ukraine" or not. — 2176:

Both the European Union and the Organisation for safe Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), however, refused to send observers to Crimea, noticing that in the past few days military observers have not been admitted to

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I'm not opposed to integrating them into the article. The images could be added next to the 'procedure' section as concerns about the box's transparency and how envelopes weren't used are mentioned there.

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which stated that, "A return to the 1992 Constitution would effectively provide for Crimea’s independence, while remaining part of Ukraine." Do you have a copy of the 1992 constitution that we can check?

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That is, I appreciate subtle nuances, but I hardly think that such quibbles (unless spelled out coherently for all us simpler-minds to appreciate) warrant or justify 'an undo war' or 'a war of undoing'!

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I think the article is missing a clear distinction between actual questions and opinions of what they may mean. Perhaps a separate section on the interpretation may do the trick? What do you think? --

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Stadler, Baborats, and Radoychich are just individual observers. Given the statement of the EODE, concluding the referendum was free and fair, it would be undue weight to quote individual observers

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Jak Evropská unie, tak Organizace pro bezpečnou spolupráci v Evropě (OBSE) přitom pozorovatele odmítly na Krym vyslat s odvoláním, že v minulých dnech nebyli na Krym vpuštěni vojenští pozorovatelé.

930:и определяет с ней свои отношения на основе договора и соглашений." (art. 9). Roughly translates as "Republic of Crimea is a part of Ukraine and establishes relations with it on a basis of treaty 2947:

It should be noted that voting without envelopes and with transparent boxes is the standard procedure in Ukraine, as can be seen from 2010 elections photos. 2010 elections were declared fair and

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the "yes and yes" theory shouldn't be mentioned here. I am not even imply that DoI would not occur if option B wins. Just say that it is opinion of some media, not printed-on-bulletin reality. —

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reporting that referendum was conducted freely and fairly. I'm opposed to including any reference of legal legitimacy because the EODE is not an authority on international or Ukrainian law.

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Why the article contains an original research? Are we now ignoring the principles of Knowledge because of the Crimea situation? Where were total numbers reported? Why is that number posted?

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I don't speak Russian but I ran the source through Google translate and it seems they do provide the number of registered voters and number of people that actually voted in this sentence:

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Considering the parliament has said they will declare independence after the referendum regardless, I think it goes without saying which interpretation of the Constitution they hold.--

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differs from your translation and states that Option 2 is translated as: "Are you in favor of restoring the 1992 Constitution and the status of Crimea as a part of Ukraine?" (source:

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article, I really see no point in having them anymore. I mean, we don't call referendums by name here in America either. We just refer to them as, "the 2014 referendum" or whatever. —

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Can i remind all users to stop edit warring and reach a consensus before making any further changes or reverts. There is no excuse for slow edit warring whether or not your breaking

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countries mass media are often distorting information with their subjective points of view :) (If its matter, I read american, british, deutsch and russian newpapers and magazines)

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The input in this case came from the Crimean Electoral Commissioner who gave a precise value, not an estimate. See the reference given above. This is basic arithmetic, covered by

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Are the results for separate municipalities available? If so, could the referendum map be made so that different shades of color indicate different percentage ranges like in

1553:, for an 83.1 percent turnout. Of those who cast a ballot, 1,233,002 voted to shift to Russia, 31,997 voted to stay with Ukraine, and 9,097 were in invalid, Malyshev said." 170:

Are the Russian, Ukrainian, and Crimean Tatar translations of the referendum's official name into the lead really necessary. It seems like clutter for something so trivial.

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The referendum was observed by 135 international observers from 23 countries with no violations registered, concluding that the referendum was conducted freely and fairly.

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At least that was a yes or no question. Also, because of the legality of secessionism, they couldn't state to unilaterally secede, but "declare sovereignty after XYZ" --

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I am new to Knowledge editing, so I am starting this thread to discuss how to fix an apparently wrong interpretation of the poll conducted in February 2014 by KIIS:

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Crimean Election Commission. What is that? When was such institution established? The whole article is based on the phoney and self-published information as a blog.

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is a good example of a such an approach. I think we should give a literal translation of the poll question and then provide attributed opinions what it might mean

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which likewise included an option that was not outright independence but would have resulted in increased autonomy and possibly lead to succession. Also consider

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It has not been discussed yet. I added the template because the section is very long and consists mainly of a list. A would prefer to keep just a summary here. —

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I think that the percentage of invalid votes should be kept in the infobox, especially for this particular election, because many voters wanted to boycott it. —

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Oh, and the ref does NOT say "unidentified senior official". It says "senior official". Adding "unidentified" in there because you don't know who s/he was is

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Judging by the discontent on the two Quebec referendum talkpages, I think we should hear from others (Ukrainians and Russians) before making this move. --

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speak of "independence" or "possibility for independence"? Treaties with central government aren't nonsense for non-independent entities (at least we had

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I can understand that in an "unendangered" democracy this enforcement may seem unnecessary; so showing your marked ballot is allowed/tolerated in Canada?

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It seems reasonable that other transparent boxes were used in polling stations throughout Crimea although I'll add some sources that explicitly say so.

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well, one is, one is for russia, that's my point. There's a slew of sources now, to say it's only a 'potential' outcome is just original research now --

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interpretation of option 2, I think it would be prudent to reduce what is said in the intro to a statement that the interpretation is/was contentious.

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that, I don't think the sentence has to be mentioned anymore in this article, considering the outcome of the referendum. This detail is better left to

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On the other hand, I wouldn't be opposed to an edit that noted how the ballot boxes were visible to bystanders during voting if that can be sourced.

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I see that my claim is an original research. It can be confirmed or falsified by the vote counts per voting district. Are they available anywhere? —

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in between. See my point now? Unless you have a source that provides a different percentage your argument is speculative so we can responsibly use

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Constitution declaring sovereignty is actually quite a weak indicator of independence. Quebec in Canada is sovereign, so as every native tribe (

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I just checked, seems like there is a bit of a tug of war happening with this particular line between 85.140.218.205 and Stephen J Sharpe. --

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I see your point; but we also use the images of a few transparent boxes as a reference for transparent boxes in general in this article... --

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is official site of the Sevastopol city council. I think, it's a reliable primary source (official site of the city's representative body).

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who these guys actually were. Likewise, including prominently the opinion of one far-right politician (again, without explaining that he's

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Do you support the restoration of the Constitution of the Republic of Crimea in 1992 and for the status of the Crimea as part of Ukraine ?

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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I agree that the election was fair, but its legitimacy and legality is disputed. For example, the observer Stanislav Berkovec said that

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argued . . ." with supporting citations then it would warrant inclusion but the opinion of media commentators has no place in the lead.

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On second thought, I think the existing section on 'choices' is the appropriate place to delve into this. No need for another section.

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Results from the City of Sevastopol should be added. The official result has been published on website of the Sevastopol City Council:

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and add my proposed solution but if anyone still has a problem with it please revert and discuss your concerns on the talk page.

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The referendum observers are not legal scholars, their statements are relevant only insofar as they relate to voting conduct.

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The Republic of Crimea is part of Ukraine and the state determines their relationship on the basis of contracts and agreements.

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I see what you guys are getting at. In Canada things are a bit more relaxed but thats probably because we have a less . . .

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What's everyone's opinion? How should we proceed? It seems to me that simply stating what the reliable sources say by using

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Not "regardless", only if first result ("reunification" option) passes. Interpretation of the 1992 Constitution as giving

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I think I found out why these sources are reporting that Choice #2 would effectively make Crimea independent. Here's why:

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the "Linguistic map of Ukraine according to the 2001 census" says "Chernobyl diaster". Should say "Chernobyl disaster"

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Fine with me. After reading so many imperfectly translated foreign news media my eyes tend to glaze over material.

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Just to clarify: It seems that the source has been cited correctly, but I am challenging the source itself. —

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declaring the same thing. If there was an observer who reported a dissenting opinion, that might be notable.

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that choosing that option is in favor of Crimea remaining as a part of Ukraine. Why is this being disputed?

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No. For laws and regulations, we usually quote or translate the primary source, e.g. the document itself.

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PS and also read the 2nd chapter of the UN regulations. You may learn smth new about politics and laws.

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is where we need a source. That said, I'm not strongly opposed and I won't revert if the edit is made.

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Article 2, Section 3 establishes that, "Any unconstitutional usurpation is an affront to democracy and

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about Crimea crisis and referendum yesterday. I guess it must be written about it here in aricle.

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as clearly listed at the top of this page. Please take time to think about this before continuing.

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Morello; Constable; Faiola (2014) " who spoke briefly Monday morning on Crimean televsion, said

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Yes, sorry, misread that. And no, only Option A on the referendum is to declare independence. —

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Could you please provide the turnout number? Unfortunately, I can not read Russian. Thank you.

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Never mind. :) It's one of the newspapers frequently appearing at Google News. Is it enough? —

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Why do we need to attribute the freedom and fairness to EODE? How about something like this?

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The most problematic value is the total number of registered voters, which is calculated as

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And the same for the "Join the Russian Federation" vote count: 274,101 * 0.956 = 262,041 —

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Maybe that is really to much of original research, but let me explain myself. The section

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with declaration of independence. So actual NPOV version would be something like that:

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Donetsk will be the next. Funny, when I was writing this, the capthca was "aromatrue"

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define succinctly). The Quebec articles are examples of ones that need a rename too.

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Let's leave the tag for a few days to give it a chance for more people to chime in. —

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Believe me, I understand your concern, but that would be original research. You are

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has said above, I now agree with the move. I'll make the same move request over at

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has agreed to discuss the matter on the talk page so I think we can resolve this.

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I don't think it's proper to characterize the amended constitution as a different

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Let's use simple majority, as many more readers are going to understand that. —

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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statement "turnout was precisely 83.1%" may be true, but very likely it is not.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a

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It's not up to us to say, whether the referendum was illegal - that would be

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statement "turnout rounded to one decimal place was 83.1%" is certainly true.

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Unfortunately, it's not just Soviet or post-Soviet tradition, have you seen

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and others. As there is no standard naming convention, we should consider

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observers found it legitimate. I don't think that should be a problem. --

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There is no standard naming convention for similar referendums. Consider

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Ah, I see. I'll go ahead and remove it then. Thanks for the explanation.

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Sorry if my edit wasn't clear. Semi-transparent cabins are shown in the

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of the reason for not dispatching OSCE monitors. It IS supported by the

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Nevermind, I just saw the changes and I think it is better worded now. —

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U.S., EU set sanctions as Putin recognises Crimea sovereignty | Reuters

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Yatsenyuk be removed as its only loosely connected to the referendum.

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Well I found enough citations but my concern of undue weight remains.

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I don't see the conceptual or operational distinction between simple

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I think the section in its current form adequately covers the issue.

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http://www.conservativeelectoralreform.org/Voting-Systems/FPTP.htm

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establishes that the Republic of Crimea is (i) a state and (ii)

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In other words, given that the official's statement is true,

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Article 9 of the 1992 constitution states explicitly that:

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Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe passed a

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Was a consensus reached? Can we remove the OR tag now? --

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This is in line with other similar referendums, such as

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Poland is a sovereign state in the EU (economically)? --

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speculation in the lead. Perhaps if the line was "many

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may build relations on the basis of equality, respect

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I do not understand your reason for reverting my edit

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Can you quote the passage you're referring to please?

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said it was fair as well, without refering to EODE. —

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1988 and ruined USSR some years later. In my opinion,

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Winner-takes-all, because the winner does, take all.

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Plurality voting. Another name for simple majority.

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