Talk:2016 Louisiana floods - Knowledge (XXG)

2387:: This article is referring to one event. Making it about two events will only cause confusion. There was flooding in March though it wasn't near the level the Louisiana has seen this month. Though they happened in the same year, the flooding in March and the flooding in August were two isolated events (at least in terms of weather, not climate). Anytime in the future when people think to Google the "2016 Louisiana floods", they will be expecting the event that happened this month. This puts us in a weird situation, as the March floods probably don't deserve their own article, though we can't mention it in detail in this one. I also advise against renaming the article to "August 2016 Louisiana floods"; it isn't as concise and doesn't flow well. At most we can mention in meteorological history or in flooding that some areas flooded in March, though that could still be hurt. Maybe that isn't a full solution, but it seems that making it about two events is the fastest way to make this article confusing. Do you have any other thoughts? 1481:@William, Thanks. The entire section would be vastly improved if it was all cast in terms of flood response/recovery, such as "Disaster aide has been slow in coming. Various commentators such as XYZ attribute this to the lack of media coverage due to air time competing with the presidential election, the olympics, and so-called disaster fatigue. Visits from candidates Trump and Clinton resulted in XYZ help. From Aug __ to ___ Obama was doing ABC from Martha's Vineyard. So and so said this was insufficient and the Prez should visit because a Prez visit would help recovery by doing _____. The prez has scheduled a visit Aug ___ which is hoped to produce Y results, according to WH sources" Or some such. That's all about the FLOOD rather than just a celebrity diary, although that strong language doesn't adequately express my appreciation for William's new effort at neutrality. Thanks, good improvement. 1140:, which is what the article is about and in my view the lead should focus on what the article is about. Today's big news with a lot more references is the deafening silence nationwide which is bigger than the president's vacation. I'm fine with adding text such as "According to so-and-so, flood recovery is hampered by a relative silence from the rest of the country". That keeps the focus on an aspect of the article topic (flood recovery), rather than focusing attention to beat up on any individuals or organizations. It's about the flood.... causes, event play by play, recovery. Keep the nouns and verbs focused on that, and I'll probably click "thank you". 2851:(flooded flood plains). It happened during the late 1980s when cities all along the Mississippi flooded after the storms and melt-water swelled the rivers. My point is, someone should investigate and report on the levy system and other factors as possible contributing factors in this event. If a common contributing factor to a flood is not relevant to this event, then that should also be reported as in "The levy system along the rivers worked as designed, were all well-funded and maintained, and did not fail. Thus the levy systems were not a contributing factor in this flood event." Of course, there would have to be valid sources to such an assertion. 2742:

year. It would be noteworthy if a single location experienced a supposed 1 in 500 year event far too often, but even that might only indicate that the 1 in 500 estimate is badly wrong not that climate change is involved. If someone wants to insert climate change activism into this article, they need to do a better job of it. Just because 4 difference sources made the same stupid argument doesn't mean it's any less stupid. Of course, this doesn't mean climate change isn't happening, it just means a single isolated event says nothing about it and information about climate change should be contained to articles that are actually about that subject.

1498:: In my opinion it seems neutral enough. I can add the part back about GWB, but the response by GWB to Katrina was a little more extreme. I know there are politics behind major natural disasters, but can we please try to make this as bipartisan as possible? I don't want to get into any sort of argument and I respect your work on the article, but saying that Obama and Clinton don't seem to care is a partisan opinion. I'll tell you what: I'll mention that Trump was the first to visit and that Obama's response was reminiscent of GWB's response. Does anyone else have any other thoughts on this subject? 913:, so it's still different from most companies. Despite that we can still add info about how many homes lost power during the floods. I think before some areas flooded they turned off many areas' power grids for safety. Though power was out in some areas, loss of power in homes hasn't seemed to be one of the largest problems as it wasn't a tropical storm with many trees and power lines down. I've been all over East Baton Rouge Parish this week and everywhere I've been has had power, though obviously that still doesn't mean much. 1265:). In any case, I don't think it is off topic to say in the lede that he is on a golf vacation in Martha's Vineyard while people are drowning. It is a simple description of the current situation. It might be deemed recentist--but then again, this flood is happening right now, so it would be. I also don't see President Obama as a politician (he's not running for office), but as the head of state (he represents the people who are drowning on the global stage). Can you offer another sentence that you'd like better please? 552: 525: 1024::I would say that it defiantly isn't notable enough for it's own article. I really don't know much about meteorology, though I can understand that many are interested in the weather system itself. If you are completely confident that they are related and have a few reliable sources about this weather system having notable affects outside of the Louisiana, then I think you can make note of it in this article under meteorological history. This article a few days ago had been merged with 386: 1566:: John Bel Edwards was right: Obama coming to the Louisiana would only distract first responders from rescue efforts. The part about Trump is inferred. I respect all you have done for this article and hope we can keep working on it, but this is only distracting us from focusing on the important parts of the article. If you want to add unnecessary filler text about Donald Trump go ahead. It's Knowledge (XXG). Anyone can edit it. End of story. 562: 212: 2347:: I have seen private schools affected by the flooding with my own eyes; I just need to find a source that says just how many. Since private schools aren't part of a larger district, there isn't nearly as much media coverage since each one usually represents only a few hundred students. The student count out of school included Catholic schools, but not other private schools. I'll look for a source and try to add some info about it. 493: 2913:: I second what Paul said. Though there was some controversy surrounding the river levels, the floods were caused mainly by the storm. People often think of the flooding in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina as an engineering disaster rather than a natural occurring event. Also unlike Katrina, the flooding during this storm was spread out over a much larger and wasn't all due to levees in one general location breaking. 655: 376: 667: 349: 281: 260: 190: 2155:: I think in the lead it is OK to be more vague with the date and just say August 2016. If the reader wants something more specific, they can look in the infobox. I think we should put August 12-17 in the infobox for duration of flooding. There wasn't really media coverage on the floods before August 12, so that seems like the safest bet. Do you or anyone else have a differing opinion? 2246:: I would say the floods are defiantly over by now. Despite that Louisiana will still be in the cleanup phase for the next year and it is far from over for those affected. Though for now I'm changing the ending date to August 22. It might not be the date some will agree on 100%, though saying to the present by now is vague and misleading. Do you or anyone else have other thoughts? 229: 3042:: If we're going to mention Hillary's reaction on social media, we'll have to mention Trump's reaction on social media too. That seems unnecessary. I guess you could add Obama's quote back, but it sounded like he was criticizing Trump for visiting before he did, didn't it? In other words, it sounded like Obama's opinion, as opposed to facts. 1532:: I added the part about GWB, but I realized the part about Trump was already inferred. I really appreciated that Trump came and showed support for the Louisiana, but it seems I'm only adding that to make him seem better and it is already neutral enough. Thanks for everything, but when trying to fit it in, it just seemed unnecessary. 3072:

Obama's POV not the article's. That's simply what a quote is. I've been trying to assume good faith, but since the start of this article there have been numerous attempts by you to change neutral information seemingly in support of Trump. I know you want to stop this and so do I, so can we just make this compromise?

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motives rather than asking for the reasoning behind the edit. The reason was not bias against Obama and Clinton, according to Zigzig20s's own statements, and it is rather hurtful that you accused him/her of inappropriate motivations, rather than assuming good faith. Your impression was probably based

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I don't want anymore drama either. I thought we had already closed this discussion before today and didn't want to change your edits without addressing our disagreements to prevent edit warring. We are going to leave it at that; I didn't mean for anything to go out of control. If I didn't handle this

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is as follows: "trimmed. Trump posted an emotional video of a supporter after his visit on social media. Are we going to mention that? No, this is not news.". Must you make this about politics and make unnecessary, unproductive opinion-based statements here on Knowledge (XXG). I completely understand

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I don't know if this is the best place to ask, but I know that it will be visible here: Where is the best place to mention the events related to the inclement weather which caused the Louisiana floods? I was going to make a subsection on this article but the article is clearly only about the flooding

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No, stop trying to turn this into a big effing drama! I said you can add Obama's quote back if you want, but he sounds opinionated and petty/trivial. But since he wanted to use this as an opportunity to criticize Trump, that was his prerogative and you can add it back, sure. I don't think this quote

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Perhaps after Trump's visit we could add, "Trump later posted an emotional video of a supporter thanking him for his visit. Meanwhile, Clinton asked her supporters to make a donation to . She added that she would not visit in the near future." Is that what you want? It has to be chronological, which

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I should add that I am not interested in more drama, and I won't waste my time or energy on this. It's not about political beliefs; it's about equal treatment of both candidates, and NPOV coverage (Obama's opinion is POV). I really don't like your inability to assume good faith; and I wouldn't say I

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I noticed that since the flooding affected Baton Rouge, if there was any affect on the state's politics at the time as a result. Did they have to stop conducting state business for a while? Was state business done elsewhere? Did the flood have no affect on how the state operated during this time? I

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Please stop your ridiculous accusations right here. Sure, if you want to add Obama's POV quote, go ahead. It is not fact-based, and it is undue, but whatever. As for Hillary's social media message, we could add it back, but then we also need to add Trump's social media message. Right now we do have

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We need to add the part about Hillary Clinton because the article currently gives the impression that she didn't say anything, even though she reached out on social media, making it inaccurate. It is a fact that Obama said that statement in his speech, even if what he said was opinion-based. That's

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I do not know how to change the error, but the parish map at the top of the page has an issue. St. Martin Parish is unique in that it is cut in half by Iberia Parish. The souther portion of St. Martin Parish was not highlighted in the image. I hope this issue can be resolved by someone else since I

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The reasoning behind mentioning the frequency of 500 year flooding at the end of the Flooding section is poor. It doesn't matter if we have many 1 in 500 year events in various places across the country or world if we don't know the average number of 1 in 500 year events we're supposed to have per

1820:: I'm not totally sure where we could find that information. I don't recall seeing any articles in the news that have said that any historic places have been flooded, though I seems likely some have been. I'll try to look around some. If anyone else has any information on this please say something. 1052:

mentions Acadia, Ascension, Avoyelles, East Baton Rouge, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Iberia, Iberville, Jefferson Davis, Lafayette, Livingston, Pointe Coupee, St. Helena, St. Landry, St. Martin, St. Tammany, Tangipahoa, Vermilion, Washington and West Feliciana as eligible for federal aid, many more

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No, the equivalency is for social media. Obviously if we mention Hillary's social media response, we have to add Trump's social media response too. Social media is manned by campaign staff and I'm in favor of leaving it out, but if you want to include it, it has to be FAIR. As for Obama, the quote

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Hurricane Katrina damaged New Orleans, and two very significant contributing factors were the failed levy system and the fact that they diverted the river from the "sinking" peninsula a hundred years ago. Thus the river no longer deposited sediment in New Orleans, and since it is sinking, much New

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to include Trump's social media response if we include Clinton's rather misses the point. What's important is that reliable secondary sources find their response notable enough to report. However, I think it is better to include Clinton's official statement calling for a "national response", (see

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that climate change / global warming does exist, though obviously there will always be some scientists that say otherwise. But currently I don't think there is enough information to add this topic into the article anyway, so we can wait for now. As always I'm not trying to start any arguments- my

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The date at which water level went below flood stage varies depending on location, if you look at NOAA hydrographs. Unfortunately, I can only see a graph of current levels, not levels beyond about five days ago. Perhaps someone else can figure out how to create a graph from August 10 to today, to

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visit, which received a fair amount of media attention. Despite that, it still seems like a lot more than expected, as on the day of Donald Trump's visit (August 19) it looks like it didn't spike at all, though it's hard to judge since the article is so new. It seems to me that the media coverage

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and compromise. Here's my proposed compromise: I'm advocating to add back the the quote from Obama and Hillary Clinton's reaction on social media, as both statements were factual, cited, and were not opinion-based. The simple presence of positive statements about politicians you don't like isn't

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linked in a comment from another blog post, about the possibility of "rain bombs" fueled by the Gulf being 1.2 °C (2.2 °F) above 1880s temperatures, greater evaporation, and more water in the sky. Oddly, it was posted three days before the flooding. It was kind of prophetic. Not sure if it would

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The flooding started unexpectedly on Friday August 12, but how do we determine when the floods are "over"? The recovery will take over a year or more and there is still flood water in parts of the state. I don't want the date to be vague, but I also don't want an inaccurate representation of the

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That's why Obama won't break off his vacation in Martha's Vineyard — or stop playing golf on said vacation — to travel to Louisiana. Because he believes he can monitor the situation as well — or better — from where he is. And that the sole reason to go to Louisiana is for the theatrical piece of

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In this current event, the only listed contributing factor is the storm, but there are vague indications (in the story) that levies failed. When a levy is built along a river, it makes the river "deeper" during a flood event, and if people plant houses in the flood plain, this is what we expect

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Please assume good faith, and focus on content, not the editors. I don't appreciate you digging into the archives of my talkpage to shame me; that's borderline harassment. The third-party sources talk about "the man", Obama. That's not me, that's the sources. I don't see why the lede shouldn't

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We have already agreed that there are many good RSs about the divergent views of what the president is doing, and you haven't acknowledge my RSs about the media's relative silence. I have already agreed that some of this can be discussed with nouns and verbs making the text be about the flood

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I guess I didn't see Obama's comment as an attack on Trump, just saying that Louisiana will still need more support even after the floods end. But if it was an attack (and the Guardian link you post certainly says that), then I suppose it makes sense that you would prefer not to mention

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Given that the flooding started, occurred, and travelled from north to south well north of the coastline where the marshes are, that argument makes no sense at all and lacks any basis in reality from what I can tell. It definitely needs independent conformation from accredited experts.

1652:: I understand what you mean when you want to be about just flood, but the controversy surrounding the response still is very important. That is why there are different sections looking at these events from different perspectives. The last disaster similar to this in the Louisiana was 2078:

length of the floods, as the majority of the flooding happened between August 12-15. It seems complicated as there are multiple perspectives to look at: the storm itself, the floods, and the recovery. Does anyone have thoughts on how to determine the date or duration of the floods?

2172:: I think it would be more accurate to extend the end date to today, August 22, because water levels at French Settlement have not dropped below flood stage yet. Obviously not all areas are still flooded, but if some are, then the flood is still happening. I also just looked at 3265:

the right way, I'm sorry. I'm a new editor and I'm still learning how to deal with things like this, on Knowledge (XXG) and off. I wasn't trying to overkill this and I don't have any hard feelings, and if you do I understand as it is hard to show and see tone on the internet.

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As the article is primarily about the actual flood event, I suggest a date range from when the flooding started to when the great majority of the water has drained (about Aug 12 - 16 or 17). Mid to long term recovery should be included in it's own section of the article.

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Not bad, but 1) can you re-insert the comparison to GWB's initial response to Katrina 2) I would rephrase the end a little bit to stress that Trump was the first one to visit the area and talk to the first responders; both Obama and Clinton don't really seem to

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The Comite, Amite, Tangipahoa, and other rivers involved in the flooding are too small to have levees on them. Levee systems were not a contributing factor in this flood event because there are not any levee systems to fail. The matter of controversy is if the

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Why? The silence starts with the President, who is playing golf while people are drowning. This is what the reliable third-party sources all say. They don't talk about a "nationwide silence", unless you can find other references. I think we should stick to the

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Because of the Katrina history , some mention in this article that contributing factors to the flood were NOT failing infrastructure (except possibly the unfinished river diversion project) or public funding, etc., perhaps should then be included? Thank you.

2561:: I said nothing about politics. I was simply mentioning that this topic could be something more news sources will report on. Several large news outlets reported on what Bill Nye said and I thought it was worth noting. There is a general consensus in the 707:

Both the March and the August 2016 floods need to be discussed. Yes most people think of the August 2016 flood bc it was a 1,000 year flood but the March flood affected different parishes. In all a total of 51 of Louisiana’s 64 parishes flooded in 2016.

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Even if I thought he this merited mention in the lead - which I don't - I would still decline to invest the energy floating something to make you happy until we agree in principle that the nouns and verbs should be about the flood rather than the man.

1006:) – but there was also a long-lived tornado elsewhere in Indiana as well as severe weather warnings in Pennsylvania and New York, and the moisture retrograded into east Texas, though I can't find anything that says that extreme effects came from that. 1408:"? Nothing. We are not going to do original research here. It is not your job to clarify anything. The press reports that Obama has been criticized for playing golf while Americans are drowning in Louisiana. We report it. That's it. I also object to 2213:: I don't know that much either. The August 17 date was ill-conceived on my part, since it was just the end of the rainfall, not the end of the flooding. Probably the infobox should continue to say August 12-present, until flooding actually ends. — 2041:- Unless something else happens, looks like it hit a high water mark with Obama's visit. I wonder, if Obama had not gone it may have kept rising, he calmed public anxiety. Or the event may have had a natural media cycle (short attention span). -- 3015:. You are a great editor: devoted and heavily experienced, and I only want to make friendship and peace between us so we can continue to make Knowledge (XXG) a better place. I could start an edit war between us over this, but I believe in 742:

would be relevant to the topic. I will look for more sources right now and keep an eye out for more in the next 2 days or so. If there isn't sufficient info for a full section on economic impact we can create a more general section called

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downstream is reaching that point only at 4 pm today (August 22). Probably it would be best to see if news articles comment on the duration of flooding, since looking directly at hydrographs (primary sources) is probably inappropriate. —

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we have to attribute that view to the people who hold it and also put in other peoples political views such as that part of the RSs that I just quoted. That's all stuff that belongs in articles about politics and politicians. See

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and I responded by creating this section, as I find them to be nonconstructive and to exhibit bias. What do you think we should do? I proposed a compromise, but we still seem to be disagreeing. We could really use a third opinion.

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qualify as a source, both because it's a blog post and because it doesn't specifically connect "rain bombs" to the flood (being posted before it happened). But it does give a possible search term to look for, "rain bombs". —

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only goal is to make this article better. If this topic starts to develop more in the media then we can have a civil discussion here about what to add or what not to add based on facts from multiple different perspectives.

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was a dig at Trump, criticizing him for visiting Louisiana as a "photo op". His statement was POV. But he's the president, so if he wants to be opinionated, he can. I worry that the quote makes Obama look bad though.

1600:: No hard feelings through any of this. Your edits you just made are fine and the article is still neutral. I think it has gotten a lot better today and is starting to look pretty good. Thanks for helping with it. 1738:

User:NewsAndEventsGuy: I have trimmed your POV editing as there is no consensus to add the sentence about Mediaite. We can add another sentence if Hillary ever tours the area. Please do not turn this into a smear

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about quoting the President? I don't see anything on the policy page that says that you have to remove a quote from someone who belongs to one party if you don't have a quote from someone in the other party. —

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article in terms of the impact on actual response/recovery. What we should report is how the actions of these celebs made a difference on the ground (or not). The rest belongs on their bio page.

2605:: That is one of the funniest things I've seen lately. The Family Research Council is such a joke. If we ever add anything about climate change to this article we will be sure to tie it to facts. 1028:, though I helped to split them into two separate articles as I couldn't see most readers thinking of those two events as one big event, even if they were somehow related in meteorological terms. 1003: 2976: 2962: 2495:

is a result of climate change and I bet more sources will report similar claims. I'll watch for information similar to this in the coming days. Do you or anyone else have other thoughts on this?

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is why adding it after Trump's visit would make more sense. (It's already a bit weird to mention Obama before Trump, as it's not chronological--unless we take into account the pecking order.)

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The title says floods, that is plural. Both the March and August floods need to be included or the title changed to flood and a separate page created for March. Both were catastrophic.

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section. In the reverted text, the noun is the president. The discussion is about the president's whereabouts. Now we're doing presidential comparison to GW. None of that has a

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The date I put into the lead (August 10–17) was the duration of the rain event, though in Baton Rouge at least there was a lull on August 14 and 15 (looking at the NOAA data). —

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This isn't a forum for bashing any government officials. If you're adamant about pushing this to be about the MAN on the article about the FLOOD.... good luck with that.

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Re: Aftermath. I see you've added referenced info about the Red Cross. Are there other non-profit organizations on the ground? This being the South, possibly church groups?

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I would strongly counsel against this. You'll have countless critics on the right saying that's not the case. Let's not turn this article into a partisan battle, please!

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B. I didn't use Mediaite as a source for what Trump did. Instead, I used the RS Western Journalism to support text that according to Mediaite Trump did those things.

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in eastern Louisiana. There is at least one notable event coming out of it – a record daily rainfall total in South Bend, Indiana, accompanied by its own flooding (

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is POV. You're trying to make Trump look bad, even though he was the first to comfort the people. My earlier version was NPOV. Meanwhile, where is Hillary hiding?

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Yes, article should be renamed something like "August 2016 Louisiana floods", so as to be clear it is not about all floods in Louisiana during the year 2016. --

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I don't have much experience editing in areas with controversy, but I think you acted unwisely by presuming, in your first post in this thread, that you knew

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Climate change increased chances of record rains in Louisiana by at least 40 percent: NOAA and partners conduct rapid assessment of devastating August rains.

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If we could find the names of the main insurance companies as well, that could be useful. Just in case anyone can find reliable sources about this. Thanks!

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We can cite the most reliable scientific sources on scientific topics. Political commentary by partisan pundits are not appropriate on science topics. --

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are at moderate, minor, and minor flood stage, so the flood is not over for all locations affected. Not sure how this is being reported on in the news. —

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Were their stocks hurt by this? (The Wikimedia Foundation should negotiate an agreement so we can have free access to all Wall Street Journal articles...)

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They're not "celebs". They are the President of the United States and future president. We currently have a five-line paragraph; that is perfectly fine.

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The paper is: van der Wiel, K., S. B. Kapnick, G. Jan van Oldenborgh, K. Whan, S. Philip, G. A. Vecchi, R. K. Singh, J. Arrighi, and H. Cullen (2016)

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don't like Hillary or Obama, please don't put words in my mouth. I am already about to stop editing Knowledge (XXG) completely, so please no drama.

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Your emphasis on the PRESIDENT instead of the FLOOD suggests you have the wrong article. Meanwhile RSs along these lines are abundant (try Google

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USA by Tristram R. Kidder, Katherine A. Adelsberger, Lee J. Arco, and Timothy M. Schilling, Quaternary Science Reviews 27 (2008) 1255– 1270.

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is saying that having this statement about Obama's speech is adding POV to the article: "In his speech he said that the floods were not a

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Since the article is about the "2016" floods, not just "August 2016", I wonder if we should include the flooding the happened in March.

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both days were about the same on their visits; maybe that shows just how much of an impact the president can have on public awareness.

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It appears that this article has started to get a larger number of page views in the last couple days. The comparison between the two:

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argues the marshes on the coastline were destroyed by oil drilling, which aggravated the floods. Not sure if there is any truth to it.

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Doesn't that lead to misleading comparison? The primary damage from Katrina was the hurricane winds and the breaching of the levee.

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Do what you think is right, but keep in mind that while the flooding is certainly over in the eastern portion of the flooded area,

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.

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A couple of news articles that discuss the unfinished Comite River Diversion Project and possible contribution to flooding are

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is still useful and relevant information. If it doesn't belong in a paragraph I think it should at least be in external links.

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issue and that 'after the TV cameras leave, the whole country is going to continue to support' the Louisiana.". These are the

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Finally, you flatly ignored the meat of my objection.... pick nouns and verbs that are about the FLOOD and we should be good.

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grounds for deleting them. If we further dispute this topic and can't seem to bury the hatchet our selves, I will request a

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Interesting how it's possible to quantify public awareness of the flood. Around August 20 it finally came into its own. --

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This is only counting 21 parishes in the August flood. There were 51 parishes that flooded in Louisiana in the year 2016.

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are fine. Are you going to leave it at that? If so, I will probably unwatch this article because I don't need more drama.

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Not all scientists believe in global warming. This article is about the floods, not politics. No need to go on a tangent.

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is receiving more traffic than this one, even though the flood is ongoing while Katrina happened 11 years ago. Weird. --

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Basin-scale reconstruction of the geological context of human settlement: an example from the lower Mississippi Valley,

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Update: This article has started to receive even more traffic with 20,657 page views on August 23, 2016. See it here:

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Louisiana’s insurance commissioner estimates 75 percent of those affected by the flooding do not have flood insurance.

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The closest background research that I can find in terms of Holocene climatic change for this part of the world is

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Rapid attribution of the August 2016 flood-inducing extreme precipitation in south Louisiana to climate change.

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is worth looking into. So much of the financial press is paywalled, so it's a bit tricky to find sources.

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on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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I guess you wanted to impose a chilling effect on my editing by creeping me out. Mission accomplished.

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something about Hillary by the way--she said one thing, that she wouldn't visit. That was her choice.

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Official: Unfinished Comite River canal could have saved damaged homes in Zachary, Baker, Central

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and related subjects on Knowledge (XXG). To participate, help improve this article or visit the

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National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, US Department of Commerce, September 7, 2006.

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staying up and running through the disaster that might be useful for the aftermath section:

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find it weird that there is no mention of how/if the flood affected how the state was run.

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and respect the right for you to have your own opinions but the fact of the matter is that

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Hydrology and Earth System Sciences. Discuss., doi:10.5194/hess-2016-448, in review, 2016.

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In total 51 of Louisiana’s 64 parishes flooded in 2016. This includes the flood in March.

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Thanks for posting that source. I try to add some of this info into the article if needed.

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There are a lot more than three, but it isn't really relevant to what text belongs in the

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Because the Manual of Style expects lead sections to stick to the topic. Notice that

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Planned, forgotten: Unfinished projects could've spared thousands from Louisiana flood

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in the most neutral way I could. If either of you have any feedback please respond.

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Whatever. This is exhausting. I guess we could close this topic as we're done now.

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Obama also takes a dig at Donald Trump, saying ‘this is not a photo op issue’ .

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A news item involving 2016 Louisiana floods was featured on Knowledge (XXG)'s

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today put out an article on climate change and the floods in the Louisiana:

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Speaking of climate change and the Louisiana flooding, this came out today:

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Trump and Clinton stay near silent on Louisiana flooding, and some notice

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show how river levels changed from the beginning of the rain event. The

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instead of the man. Apparently, for you tne nouns must be about the

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seems to have fallen below minor flood stage around August 17, while

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Date of the Floods: Change it to "August 2016" or is that too vague?

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A. Incessant pings are gratuitous...I've got the page watchlisted

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was affected. Even though they are a corporation they're still a

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by Steve Hardy, The Advocate (Baton Rouge), August 16, 2016 and

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Climate Change and Human History in the Mississippi River Valley

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is an entertainment blog. I don't think it's a reliable source.

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Scientists See Push From Climate Change in Louisiana Flooding

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Damaged structures on National Register of Historic Places

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C. I'm going on a vacation of my own right now. Bye all.

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The above article is worth looking at for information.

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blaming the LGBTQ community for the floods apparently

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President Obama is playing golf in Martha's Vineyard.

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is important. If it's important to you, add it back.

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