Talk:2018 Strasbourg attack/Archive 1

96: 2417:, the fact is, it's a list of individuals the French security services deem a "threat to national security". He was on that list because they believe he was an "Islamist extremist". If the French authorities, and all the main news outlets, deem these things important enough to mention, why shouldn't Knowledge? If your worry is that we're overlooking the other main facts about him, then we can mention those too – for example that he has a long criminal record. I'm not minded to mention his "obsession with firearms" or "toxic masculinity" because no sources mention those things. As I said, the 80: 88: 31: 1807:: TL;DR, "real" terrorists, the ones with networks and sleeper cells and all the fancy stuff, do not go around annoying prison guards, going holier-than-thou on other detainees, and generally bragging about their rigourous practice of a religion that they actually do not even know well; the profile is more that of a desperado who explains his actions by retrofitting a religious narrative, than that of an actual holy warrior. 1950:

will claim the bad weather is caused by them if it serves their purpose. We typically note such claims, without drawing conclusions from them or implying they are reliable. (Peu après l’annonce, Daesh l’a reconnu comme un « soldat » du groupe Etat islamique, a annoncé jeudi son média de propagande Amaq - Soon after, on Thursday, Daesh recognized him as a "soldier" of the Islamic State, through their propaganda outlet Amaq.)

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terrorist motivation. In all the readable part of the article, Chekatt is referred to as "the terrorist" and he is listed as being part of a new wave of terrorism which has become dominant. As an aside, i would say that you have to keep in mind that French authorities condemn anyone who questions the terrorist nature of this type of attack as apology for terrorism ("apologie du terrorisme" in French), therefore, finding

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National Library of Medicine Medical Subject Headings (MeSH) system defines brain death as including the brainstem. The distinctions are medically significant because, for example, in someone with a dead cerebrum but a living brainstem, the heartbeat and ventilation can continue unaided, whereas in whole-brain death (which includes brainstem death), only life support equipment would keep those functions going.

491:. What is the difference between "dead" and "brain-dead", isn't brain death the irreversible passing of a person? I really don't understand why such a distinction is made, it only seems to cause confusion. Unfortunately, since 6 of the 12 injured persons are "extremely seriously injured", the final number of fatalities will probably grow. A sad time for that lovely city! -- 727:

la pratique de la religion sous une forme radicale, mais rien ne permettait de détecter un passage à l’acte dans sa vie courante », a précisé le secrétaire d’Etat à l’intérieur, Laurent Nunez, sur France Inter, mercredi matin. En janvier 2016, il est inscrit au fichier des signalements pour la prévention de la radicalisation à caractère terroriste (FSPRT).

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screamed Allahu Akbar while shooting civilians - perhaps may just have seen a muslim friend mid shooting and wished to inform that friend that 'God is great.' For me however - clearly extreme Islam. So do you support or oppose 'Radical Islam' as the motivation in the navbox - please also provide refs, lets see what we are dealing with here.

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we have at present no clue. Note that we do not say that the man had an unhealthy interest in fireams, for instance, although that seems equally true and certainly relevant to his last actions. Therefore, the islamist opinions of the perpetrator may be mentionned in the body of the article, but they have no place in the lead.

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three days after her death, which was replaced within two weeks when someone made an effort to obtain a freely license image as an example. Additionally, as I mentioned above, the precedent that disallows use of a non-free image of the perpetrator in the article about the attack as opposed to its use

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This man killed at least four civilians. He was on terrorist watchlists for "Islamist extremism", and the authorities say they're treating the attack as "terrorism". These are key points which most definitely belong in the lead. Noting them in the lead isn't "making insinuations", it's simply stating

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is a list of individuals deemed to be a "threat to national security", it's not an "arbitrary shit-list" as you call it. The "S" stands for "state security". Your own source says that he was also on the "Terrorism Prevention and Radicalisation Reporting File". He was on those lists because the French

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Please keep in mind that this is a very hot topic where sensationalist coverage is both bound to occur and very harmful: in particular, for the number of victims, the highest number is not necessarily the most current, nor the most precise. Prefer official sources (the Préfecture du Bas-Rhin would be

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I've seen several claims that a fair use image here would not be replaceable - although they essentially all boil down to "he's dead", not even "he's dead and I can't find anything on Google images" (even the latter is, per long-standing precedent, not sufficient). However nobody has even attempted,

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The terrorist connotation of the assault is not doubtful according to the article you posted (from the very serious "Le Monde"). Yes, i speak French with a professional level (i speak better French than English without any doubt). the article denies the Islamist motivation of the gunman, but not his

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The "Fiche S" is basically the French Security services shit-list for inside use only. It carries no judicial weight, it has been known to contain hearsay and unsourced judgements of value etc. It is not specific to islamists, nor to terrorists. Many similar files and programmes aim at filing people

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being a terrorist apologist and being involved in terrorist plots are not the same thing; here again, the perpretator was apparently know for the former, but not the later (much like in the US many people have the flag of the Confederation on their cars: they may be suspected of neo-Nazi sympathies,

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That he had drifted into a form of radical islamism seems to be correct, as is his listing on a watchlist of the security services specifically aimed at such evolutions. Nevertheless, putting this detail in the lead of the article insinuates that it is a core fact in the affair, something for which

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known as a terrorist threat. He had a "Fiche S", which amounts to being on an arbitrary shitlist of the security services; furthermore he was on a list of suspected radical islamists — in his case, for annoying fellow inmates with his constant God-bothering. This is absolutely not the same thing as

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terminology for "acting for reasons sympathetic to our cause" ie no tangible organisational link to IS. Amaq typically offer stronger language (and evidence) when a more solid link exists. The original source for this is AMAQ, since IS don't have any 'official' outlet for statements - and yes, Amaq

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I'll repeat what I said in the previous section on this matter: Does anyone have a reliable source showing that this was "part of Islamic terrorism"? If so, it should be given, and the claim stated, in the body of the article. If not, the templates and categories making the claim should be removed/

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People who commit suicide by proxy tend to imitate patterns that they see in the news. In the US it is "madman shots people and is killed on the scene"; in France it is "madman shots people, escapes and is killed a few days later" — exactly what happened. So no, I do not think that resisting arrest

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C’est lors de ce dernier passage en prison en France, de 2013 à 2015, que le suspect se serait radicalisé. A cette époque, il a attiré l’attention des services de renseignement pour des violences, pour la radicalisation de sa pratique religieuse, et son prosélytisme. En prison, l’homme « incitait à

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Nice assumption of bad faith their Andy. In previous discussions it has been made clear, by Explicit and others, that reaching out should be done in a sensitive manner (e.g. by waiting - there is no deadline) but this is not the only way to find free images, also as repeatedly noted. You will also

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Curious as to what other editors think. For me, clearly and obviously radical Islam at play (as per police reports, national security reports and the perpetrator's owns words) but my politics are centrist, so we must take into account what those editors of the left think also - for example when he

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asking a simple question asking whether anyone has done those things demonstrate that I am assuming bad faith? You are the person who believes that Explicit is asking people to be "callous" or "stupid". There are good reasons why it is probably too soon to reach out to those people, but the fact

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By selecting facts and arranging them as you want, you can give almost any impression you want. That is what "tendentious" means. We do not know at the moment what motivated the attacks, selecting elements of the perpetrator's biography to construct a narrative is therefore neither objective nor

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I know what a "Fiche S" is: it is a work document by the security services for their own use, which contains hearsay and unattributed testimonies, and that may be set up for people who are not violent. As such, it is a sort of shitlist by the State, and it is arbitrary since there no standard of

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You might be right. It is possible his shouting "alah Akbar" as he gunned down the victims was just his way of saying "good evening, folks." For all we know, this was simply a multicultural misunderstanding, and we should not read anything into "la radicalisation de sa pratique religieuse" and

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Various parts of the brain may keep functioning when others do not anymore, and the term "brain death" has been used to refer to various combinations. For example, although one major medical dictionary considers "brain death" to be synonymous with "cerebral death" (death of the cerebrum), the US

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The section you link to points to operative of the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat, exactly as I say. Your version is just less precise and only reflects that English-speaking sources picture events in US-centric terms. I am flabbergasted by your insistence in removing this information.

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Works by French authorities are not in the Public Domain in the way works by US Federal employees are. On the other hand, the photograph is an identity photograph, entailing that it was probably taken by an automatic device, and in any case that the very point of the photograph is to provide a

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As for the gunman, he was a petty criminal whose motivations could as easily have been suicide by cops. We simply do not know at the moment. Your urge to jump to conclusions is unserious, unrigourous, unscientific, and the best thing you can do with it is to reflect on the reasons you feel so.

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The article is as much about the suspect as it is about his crime. Given that he is a fugitive, there is also a compelling public interest in displaying his photograph so that he can be recognized by readers; this is why the police made the image available. I'll be re-adding the image.

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So yes, it is my opinion but most importantly it is the opinion of a Procureur de la République and that of a Secretary of State, entailing that it is also the opinion of the administrations for whom they are authorised to speak. Because some opinions are based on the study of

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made a thorough attempt to locate a free image (for example by reaching out as described) then it is not possible to be certain a fair use image meets NFCC #1. Not that this is at all relevant until point 8 (which you are still ignoring) is satisfied.

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neutral (are you tempted to mention the attacker's attraction to fireams? His match with the feminist concept of "toxic masculinity"? Why one thing and not the others, which are certainly as true and necessary to his crimes?), and is not legitimate.

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I am not strongly opposed to the mention of ISIL's claims in themselves, but I really feel our formulation must not lead readers to think there is any weight to these claims, at the moment. I have changed "recognized" (sic) to "claimed", accordingly.

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Then you may act in bad faith, because the words "religion", "pratique religieuse" and "prosélytisme", even if they are in a foreign language for some people, are clear enough. They translate as "religion", "religious practice", and "proselytism".

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The article already says "Soon after his death, the Islamic State claimed him as one of their 'soldiers' through their propaganda outlet, Amaq. Christophe Castaner, France's interior minister, dismissed the claim as 'completely opportunistic'.".

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I suggest another choice of pictures. The shooting started in Rue des Orfèvres, which is a pretty street near the cathedral. Many photos on Commons show it with Christmas decorations, just as it also looked like yesterday, as you can see here:

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means "new hamlet" in both Alsatian and Standard German, so it's difficult to say, although from the locality you could attribute it to Alsatian too. On the other hand, "Christmas market" (litterally "market of child Christ") is written

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Yes, it says he fell into radical Islam. It doesn't say that the attack was motivated by that. As to "not hearing", even that citation was not in the article until you added it a few minutes before your comment; made hours after mine.

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The man was known as a violent, prolific petty criminal. At the moment we have no indication that the security services saw him as a potential terrorist; given that several sources have explicitly stated that it was not the case (see

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The perpetrator of this attack is still alive, so the possibility of creating a freely licensed photo still exists. Even if he was dead, precedent has shown that the use of a non-free image about the perpetrator in the article about

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note that there is no provision in the NFCC for allowing a fair use image because it might be insensitive to contact some of the people who might have a free image and/or may release a non-free image under a free license.

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believes Wikipedians should "reach out" to the family of recently killed suspected terrorist, or to witnesses of a terrorist atrocity, asking for pictures. I trust that no-one is either stupid or callous, enough to do so.

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that it was an islamist attack while for now, we only have numerous evidences of such an attack but no official statement. Your request will find its answer when the French authorities will complete their investigation.

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Racial profiling is not condoned by French authorities. There is an appalling amount of de facto racism in the police (much like in many countries), but this is not official policy and it shoul not be suggested that it

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standardised portrait of the subject — in other words to eliminate originality, which negates the source of copyright. It is therefore rather likely that the image is in the public domain for lack of originality.

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They were accused of belonging to a group with ties to al-Qaeda. Those charges ended up being dropped since the prosecutor failed to prove the link. If anything, we should add "alleged" to the link with al-Qaeda.

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No, that is not evidence that the motivation was Islamist: the shooter might have been a Muslim motivated by something else (maybe the first victim was, say, his love rival) or a fascist trying to stir up hatred.

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Even though to you and I the distinction may be irrelevant, for medical and legal purposes there is a distinction and DNA may just be reporting what a hospital has stated. Here's a paragraph from the lead of the

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islamism and terrorism are not the same thing: most islamists are quietists, the very few who support violent action make a disproportionate amount of noise and attract a disproportionate amount of attention.

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would also apply, meaning that the image is to be treated as "fair use" in the US. Moreover, the Wikimedia servers are located in the US; Wikimedia projects are primarily bound to the US law. Unsure whether

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C'est à ce titre uniquement qu'il était suivi, de manière assez sérieuse, par les services de renseignement mais comme beaucoup d'autres individus qui ont pu manifester une pratique radicale religieuse en

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Coming in here to correct you: at the time of your comment, he had been dead for three days, a fact advertised on the main page in the news, and in the lead of the article, and on the image file page.

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started making assumptions on the killer's state of mind from some of his actions, I am merely pointing out that there are alternative explanations to what you propose. The burden of proof is on you.

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Nobody is saying that there is no terrorist connotation to this incident — of course there is. What I am saying is that we must not be seen as implying things that are unverified or downright false.

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I would be curious to see your sources for that, but in the meantime there is a wealth of sources stating that the 2000 Strasbourg plot was done by members of the SGPG. A casual search brings out

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Many participants in the so-called "Manif Pour Tous" are linked to hard-core Catholic fringe groups, yet I do not see it implied that their homophobia stem from their catholicism. Same here.

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All the elements you quote would be consistent with a stupid and desperate man committing suicide by proxy; ISIL is a laughable source, and BFMTV is what France has the closest to Fox News.

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with his image and other info is more appropriate for the article because the manhunt is a main aspect of the subject. I think that the bulletin has more contextual significance (the 8th

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The "Modèle 1892 revolver" claim is not in the cited source, but is in the archived version. Has the claim been retracted, or is the page for rolling news? Is a better source available?

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The "Terrorism Prevention and Radicalisation Reporting File" is a different document, which lists people who are not terrorists — which is rather logical since its aim is "terrorism

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ISIL recognized Chekatt as one of their "soldiers", thus his motivations are officially quite clear now. I added that content to the article with some sources (in French). Cheers.

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The security services didn't say said that they "never saw him as a potential terrorist". In the link you gave, an unnnamed source said they didn't expect him to mount an attack.

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There is such a thing as suicide by cops (A suicide by cops may constitute terrorism as well). At the moment, as far as I know, we do not know the motivations of the perpetrator.

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security services believe he was an "Islamist extremist", to quote them. I very much doubt he was put on such lists just for "annoying fellow inmates". That's your own opinion.

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being a petty criminal, even a violent one, and being a terrorist, are not the same thing. As of now, the perpretator was apparently know for the former, but not the later

1673:, then his motivations are quite clear", but sincerely, i find your above accusations toward me quite harsh, and your comment about "how i feel" irrelevant. Best regards. 603:). As long as that vicious killer is at large, there will be a lot of disruption in the area between Eastern France, Southwestern Germany and Northern Switzerland. -- 3642:

Maybe we should mention that the Islamic State claimed responsibility of the attack through its Amaq news website, but also adding that it didn't give any evidence.

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If I found them to be uncited, yes - and so should you or any other editor. Do let interested people know, on the template's talk page, if you find any like that.

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Il a été incarcéré à de multiples reprises et était connu de l'administration pénitentiaire pour sa radicalisation et son attitude prosélyte en détention en 2015.

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Agreed with the above, it's an illustration and it's useful for the readers since it helps to better understand what the assault area looks like in this period.

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But I do not know where to look. They're all clearly Islamic terrorism to me. If I'm going to understand why this should not be included I need more examples.

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for instance), I do not expect this to change. Therefore, nowhere should we say or suggest that the security services saw him as a potential terrorist.

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PS: the "recognize" sounds like badly-translated French, where the word would have the connotation of granting someone a status, not as stating a fact.

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and fleeing precludes a suicide by cop, and on the contrary I find it likely that the perpetrator got exactly what he expected, and possibly hoped for.

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Various editors have added links and templates suggesting an Islamist motivation for the incident; none of these have been cited, so I've removed them.

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This is what happened in numerous high-profile terrorist cases such as Khaled Kelkal or the 2015 shooters. I am surprised you would contest that.

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With regard to Rama's comment, the issue is that it is both. A very potent mix, indeed, as there is no separation of mosque and state. Cheerio,

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If anything, we treat ISIL claims as an unreliable source. Anything must be substantiated with a WP:RS for the dubious language to be rewritten.

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Everytime somebody loses a pencil, ISIL claims that as one of their terrorist attacks. These claims are absolutely not to be taken as face value.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cherif-chekatt-strasbourg-christmas-market-shooting-attack-isis-abdelkrim-chekatt-a8685706.html

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In the US it is "madman shots people and is killed on the scene"; in France it is "madman shots people, escapes and is killed a few days later"

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Does anyone have a reliable source showing that this was "part of Islamic terrorism"? If so, it should be given, and the claim stated, in the

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Do you have any serious source (neither Médiapart, Politis or Le Monde diplomatique, nor Valeurs actuelles or Dreuz.info) for the claim that

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You have asserted that the image is "replaceable". How so? Or would you care to reconsider your deletion rationale, now you know the facts?

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does not require a free image to exist at the moment, but that the possibility for one to be created. We did not use a non-free image for

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No motivation has been stated yet. We should not speculate motivation based on religion or unrelated (non-terrorist) criminal history.

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Why does this article have an image of Christmas decorations from 2014? I've removed it once, as not relevant, but it's been returned.

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In addition, it seems that the attacker was supporting IS, but we have to wait until the investigation is over in order to be sure.

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As indeed we do - the first sentence of the "Background" section is "The Christkindelsmärik is the Christmas market in Strasbourg".

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Do we keep, remove, or amend the current claim, which says "Soon after his death, ISIL claimed him as one of their 'soldiers'."?

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And now I have had to restore several language templates that were removed completely. That anyone would do this beggars belief.

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Which of these attacks would you guys actually consider Islamic terrorism? Legit, I'm curious. And how do you narrowed it down?

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https://www.dna.fr/actualite/2018/12/16/le-pere-de-cherif-chekatt-temoigne-s-il-m-avait-parle-de-ce-projet-je-l-aurais-denonce

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Agreed, and furthermore, other mass shootings typically do not have mentions of terrorism in the lead. The article on the

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We have new, uncited figures for the number injured; and those in the lead/infobox do not match those in the body/ table.

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Interesting things to take away: He was opposed to his son's sympathy for ISIL and horrified by his crimes. Nevertheless

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one. Pigsonthewing's caution is commandable and his rigour in his treatment of the subject is a standard to live up to.

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Is there an article for this incident in en.Wikinews and is there a way to cross-link the items between the projects?

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Le dernier bilan provisoire est de 2 morts, 1 personne en état de mort cérébrale, 12 blessés dont 6 en urgence absolue

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I am sure there are more. In any case, these traps can be easily avoided by rigourously quoting reputable sources.

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No you do not. You simply need to understand that it will not be added without a reliable citation supporting it.

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Members of his close family (parents, brothers) are arrested and it appears that they're all radicalised islamists

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The 2000 attack was planned by an Algerian group called "Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat". This group

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As far as i know, all ISIL claims of terrorist attack on French soil were confirmed by the French authorities.

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And yet the references to Islamism have been restored to the article, still with no citation suporting them.

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It's not for us to overturn the court judgement. The sources I provided say otherwise. I suggest you read

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Edelseider, Islamism is not a religion, it is a political doctrine. Everything you cite here indicates a

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Maybe worth mentioning: as a woman in Switzerland had thought to have seen him aboard of a train between

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I thought it was our practice not to recognise ISIL's claims, which often do not stand up to scrutiny?

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Even that is doubtful, or at the very least should be carefully qualified. If you can read French, see

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Would you say of somebody seen as a potential terrorist that "his profile is not especially worrying"?

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they become terrorists. Entailing that you find people there who are not. Not yet. Or not known to be.

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https://www.bfmtv.com/police-justice/attaque-a-strasbourg-le-tueur-a-crie-allahou-akbar-1586569.html

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I am a leftist apologist myself, but even I cant hide what this man's motivations were anymore..

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of the article. If not, the templates and categories making the claim should be removed/ changed.

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I think you misunderstood me when i said that his motivations are clear, i was talking about the

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Islam and islamism are not the same thing: one is a religion, the other is a political doctrine.

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https://www.dna.fr/faits-divers/2018/12/13/une-voyageuse-croit-voir-cherif-c-un-train-immobilise

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proof nor judiciary value to it. Nothing can be inferred from the existence of such a document.

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French police say the gunman is one of 12,000 'gangster-jihadists' who exist under the radar

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as far as a I am aware, to demonstrate compliance with NFCC#8 ("contextual significance").

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in a biographical article about the perpetrator remains unaddressed. I have yet to see any

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Actually, on closer reading, Asarlaí was discussing a phrase in the lede, not the navbox.

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Currently seems to have fair use criteria applicable. Wikimedia page should be updated.

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As of now, it is almost impossible to understand the way the victims are counted. The

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ISIL recognizes (this is the word used by the sources) him as one of their "soldiers"

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I think it's worth having a translation of the German name of "Christmas Market". --

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https://www.dna.fr/actualite/2018/12/13/strasbourg-l-assaillant-toujours-introuvable

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No such source has been provided; and so they were. Your opinion as to what it is,

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No such source has been provided; and so they were. Your opinion as to what it is,

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as per police reports and the perpetrator's own words as listed on this talk page.

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So would you remove any more from that list? I'd like to know which ones and why.

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denying the terrorist nature of the attack may not be an easy task. Best regards.

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Islamic State says Strasbourg shooter was one of its soldiers, gives no evidence

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Wikinews stories are cross-linked with Knowledge articles by adding them to the

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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I will remove the image pending decision on if French State media is fair use.

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I'll try to translate this around noon, if nothing urgent comes up in between.

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Since the above section is closed, i'll answer to your accusations toward me (

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They're all there in the concerned article, all you have to do is read them.

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PS: this also stands for the article about the SGPG and about the 2000 plot.

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in France it is "madman shots people, escapes and is killed a few days later"

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Brain death is used as an indicator of legal death in many jurisdictions,

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Also, at the same time as re-adding it, you removed a comment which said

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I see a number of misconceptions that keep reoccurring in this article:

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né le 4 février 1989 à Strasbourg dans une famille d'origine algérienne

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So, the terrorist was a jihadist, yet we know nothing of his motivation?

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The "Investigation" section was updated to "Investigation and manhunt".

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That does ultimately not address the replaceability issue, as noted on

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It could be seen as part of the ongoing effort to find him. See also

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simply because one did not exist and it was difficult to create one.

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but this is insufficient grounds to suspect a terrorist conspiracy)

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could do with being expanded from the French-language equivalent.

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Thank you for correcting me, I did indeed misread the infobox in

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For the reasons given earlier on this page. In particular, note:

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Il avait un profil qui ne paraissait pas inquiétant outre mesure

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Maybe we should discuss images of suspects and perpetrators at

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A gunman shoots down several people while saying "Allahu Akbar"

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in Hochdeutsch, so you can spot the difference. Something like

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must be contacted first if anyone wants the image un-deleted.

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And the image is deleted as "replaceable"; the deleting admin

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https://twitter.com/PoliceNationale/status/1072933158407016449

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Thank you. Adsed to article, and the original source removed.

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Similarly, the reasons for his files is given by two quotes:

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Thanks, Kingsif. I also added RFU and PROD tags; re-pinging

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Many serious French medias confirm his terrorist motivation

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Official: Strasbourg Market Gunman Pledged Allegiance to IS

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I understand your point, you're asking for sources stating

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Hello, and thank you to the contributors of the articles.

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Strasbourg_Cathedral_bombing_plot#Trials_and_convictions

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No, I have found several sources that back this detail:

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Maybe the above might give a clue as to his motivation.

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Father of attacker admits his son was an ISIS supporter

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Oh, you are right. Thank you! How did I miss it? lol

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Nevertheless, even with standards of the French law (

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After a manhunt the gunman is shot down by the police

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You uploaded a non-free image of the living person,

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Chekatt Sr. also classified as a radical ("fiche S")

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No, for for "radicalism", I do not read "islamism".

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Can anyone provide the correct coordinates, please?

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