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blatantly advertising. Even besides that, the section is bloody huge! It accounts for roughly half the article, which is ridiculous. I'm not sure it would even be appropriate for inclusion on the CGC article (poor formatting, promotion etc.) but even if it is, spamming here simply because you're desperate to have the information included
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