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Australia trying their best to get their website into the External Links section of this article in order to help sell puppies - something that I will not tolerate. AFD would also bring an end to this issue. As our North American cousins say, "Nuke it"!
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Also, please donât personal beliefs get in the way of your contributions. I donât believe just removing 99% of the page because it doesnât meet your standards is helping anyone. Is the information actually wrong? If so, what? Do have have experience with
Cavoodles? Are you part of a Cavoodle club? I
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fanatics and dog breed fancier groups of only breeding from registered pedigree animals is seeing the decimation of a number of once great dog breeds, they place pedigree and appearance over health and function, if you want to see what this results in, read about
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of the article is everything reliably sourced and reputable I could find on these dogs, I ask that you revert to that version and then add reliably sourced content to that start point as it becomes available. Kind regards,
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