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What did I just say? Maybe we should ask the Queen's
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This has come up before. What typography is used by the most typo-geeky sources, in this case the printers who published the enabling legislation? That is the proper "spelling", regardless of the opinions of a small group of WP editors at one MOS sub-page. Government printers actually do pay
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