1612:, we should prioritize the most noteworthy positions and roles. This involves proportion: the activity that characterizes Jung's fame and better represents his whole life was psychotherapy in general; his role as a psychoanalyst was "incidental" and is a subcategory of "psychotherapy", it should not appear first among the descriptive terms, as if representing the whole of his main activities and fame. While he was a psychoanalyst for 6 years, he went on to become a psychotherapist of his own for more than 40 years. Indeed, "neurologist" and "psychiatrist" are also "integral to the person's notability" (in the case, Freud's and Jung's); but psychoanalysis was secondary to Jung, when considering that the proportion of his notability was mainly derived from his independent trend and works of psychotherapy. I do not contend that there should appear somewhere in the lead section an affirmation that Jung was psychoanalyst for a limited period of time; but the most neutral and encompassing term that agrees with the criterion "One, or possibly more, noteworthy positions, activities, or roles that the person is mainly known for, avoiding subjective or contentious terms." and that should appear first is "psychoterapist".
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