Talk:Chola dynasty

3178::::::::::Please understand the Hinduism as a word or as even a religion(a combined form) did not exits for at lease 1000 years back. The Persians called it sindhs and britishers called Hindus. Over time the Shivaism religion and Vaishnavaism religion all has become come under one religion which is what we call as Hinduism. Shivaism and Vaishnavism are older religions by itself. In fact Shivaism is pre-vedic religion. Since in the modern day Hinduism now includes Shivaism and Vaishnisvis togather then Hinduism can be called one of the oldest religion in the world because Shaivism (an old religion) is now considered under Hinduism. 3413: 1420: 633: 5351: 3959: 3876: 227: 425: 1393: 5249:"completed" the conquest Rajaraja had begun. But the Cholas never really consolidated their control over southern Ceylon, which in any case lacked large and prosperous settlements to tempt long-term Chola occupation". If you read that you can understand that Cholas never Consolidated(Strengthen) their control over South Ceylon which means they had control. I am not sure about South East Asia Region,but sure about Sri Lanka that was part of Chola empire.So change the map now. 731: 713: 1112: 1533: 609: 378: 978: 4116:– This page is about the Political entity of the Cholas which is most definitely called the Chola Empire and not only about the lineage of the Cholas. Looking at other stably named Dyasnty-Empire page pairs, like the Mughal, Timurid, Ottoman, the empire page talks about origin, territory, administration, government, law, demographics while the dynasty page talks about family tree, succession, current heads and pretenders. 1198: 1148: 829: 811: 741: 250: 1402: 585: 5304: 3915: 3826: 3368: 687: 507: 458: 493: 1028: 1010: 657: 902: 875: 416: 517: 486: 912: 1038: 2090: 5068: 5392: 4747:. However by looking at the sources in the article, I couldn't find any direct link between the two. The early cholas and the medieval/later cholas were 2 different kingdoms/empires that existed in different eras. Combining them into the same article makes it seam as if they were a continuous kingdom, which clearly is not true. 4672:, let me summarize my argument. On Knowledge, there are pairs of political entities, Empire/Dynasty. Here Imperial Cholas already exists but most of that pages contents are here which is a dynasty page. So we should either move that content to Imperial Cholas and rename that to Chola Empire or rename this as Chola Empire. 1358:"completed" the conquest Rajaraja had begun. But the Cholas never really consolidated their control over southern Ceylon, which in any case lacked large and prosperous settlements to tempt long-term Chola occupation. Thus, under Rajendra, Chola predatory expansion in Ceylon began to reach a point of diminishing returns” 1433:. Kassapa VI (Vikkamabahu) organized several liberation campaigns however his rule was still under chola influence and he has only fractional control over the reign. This is why the region is under influence since the sinhalese monarchs only had partial control and their rule was under chola subordinate/influence. 5043:

don't use the term and definitely not right there in the lead sentence. Those which do employ it, use it in the sense of the three dynasties; edit-warring/contentious editing has dubiously introduced four in different articles which was the case here as well, which is also better kept off the lead sentence.

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I agree with Furius. What did "I could not find any sources" actually involve? Clearly there is not going to be very extensive or conclusive evidence about direct descent over a long period more than a thousand years ago. What is probably important is that the Cholas were apparently able to pursuade

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I think we have some misunderstanding. I have no issues with edits on southeast Asia. My concern primarily is focused on the extent of claims in Sri Lanka, and I was a bit blind to all the other issues with areas outside my concerns. I will combine information from all the make a new map and replaces

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1. is sourced to "THE CŌḶAS" by K. A. Nilakanta Sastri (1933). 2. claims as its only source File:Rajendra map new.svg, despite substantially changing it. 3. claims to be sourced to Spencer, G. (1976). The Politics of Plunder: The Cholas in Eleventh-Century Ceylon. The Journal of Asian Studies, 35(3),

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It doesn't matter. And Hinduism as a term did not exist until Persians and The British came to the Indian Sub Continent. What we need to look at is What was the religion of Cholas? For that i have provided enough evidence that Shaivisim was a separate religion during their time and it was their state

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All these references from books and journals only proves that Shaivism was a separate religion during Chola dynasty and Shaivism was the official religion as well. It also proves that Vaishnava was a separate religion and at many times in Chola history the monarchs prosecuted Vaishnavites. Throughout

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3 besides lanka, these are many other parts of the map that are incorrect. the map shows chola influence of the entirety of angkor Dvaravati and pegan when they only had indirect control of the city of pegu and possibly southern Dvaravati. It also shows half of borneo under chola control when most of

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I wouldnt characterize it as premature, given that no one had made a comment in four days, and the editor who changed his vote and was persuaded to agree would, in my mind, only make the argument for the close stronger. However, I have no objections to letting someone more experienced close this, so

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Hi Guys - There is no evidence of Sanskrit or Prakrit or any other language used for official purposes. The language used for worship was Tamil. Why are you inserting Sanskrit into the Cholas? There is no source that attests that Sanskrit was ever used. No inscriptions during that time. This is

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So the Chola influence in the Nusantara archipelago would be the 3 ovals in the Malay peninsula, and the 2 ovals in Sumatra. The Munoz's map included some territory in West Java, but I don't think the Cholas had influence in any part of Java, so the Southernmost margin would be somewhere in southern

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We already use the term in the same lead para that follows (for the the three dynasties/kings). This is the same as the sources listed by you, these use it in a contextual framework (while already detailing southern, early India etc) and not as a standalone descriptive. Most general reference works

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cites a number of sources that treat the Cholas as maintaining a tenuous existence from the early to the Medieval periods - i.e. they're the same kingdom. Renaming the article has just been discussed and deadlocked (see previous section). Any new proposal will need to deal with the arguments in the

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has repeatedly reverted these challenges without providing sources for this claimed area of influence, and despite having already shown that 2. made inaccurately expansive claims for Chola control in one area (Sri Lanka), where 1. was already correct (although I accept that the modifications to the

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admits that Rajendra's forces captured King Mahinda and transported him to India, where he eventually died in exile.47 But Prince Kassapa, son of Mahinda, hid in Rohana, where Chola forces vainly searched for him. Kassapa assumed the title of Vikkamabahu I and ruled" in Rohana for several years (c.

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We have some of the data, at least the important aspects Such as Empire ruled Estate/Capital, last ruler, year ended, titles used by rulers. This type of infobox is a standard for dynasty related pages so it would match the Manuel of style. It would also allow readers to distinguish this page from

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To say "On Knowledge, there are pairs of political entities, Empire/Dynasty", like there was some policy or convention covering this, is just not true. There are all sorts of ways we cover such matters, decided by editors locally. You say that most of the content relating to the Imperial Cholas is

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This article used to be correct back in the days, but some Sanskrit USURPER has changed it recently. I have changed it back to the accurate description, but it keep getting changed back. Many users have complained about the inaccurate details. If this continues, then the Wiki users will have no

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The Epic and Early Puranic period, from c. 200 BCE to 500 CE, saw the classical "Golden Age" of Hinduism (c. 320-650 CE), which coincides with the Gupta Empire. In this period the six branches of Hindu philosophy evolved, namely Samkhya, Yoga, Nyaya, Vaisheshika, Mīmāṃsā, and Vedanta. Monotheistic

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This discussion has petered out without any consensus (whether rough or firm). The article does not currently focused only on the "dynasty" (lineage of rulers) or "empire" (imperial period) but rather the wider Chola state/society over time. For now, the introduction can be updated to reflect the

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So for example, let's assume Burma, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh all become part of India in future and over time all their respective religions and long with India's were unified and called under a new name. So when you write an article about the past Sri Lanka or past Pakistan do your say

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None of the sources that you have provided vouch for your argument that Shaivism and Hinduism were different in the past but I have provided you sources which say that Shaivism and Hinduism are intertwined. Unless you can provide multiple sources which can establish that, we cannot reach anywhere

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https://books.google.co.in/books?id=LIhVFba4cF8C&pg=PA88&dq=chola+dynasty+claim+suryawanshi&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjg54zfyoeEAxVFaGwGHY_pBxAQ6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=chola%20dynasty%20claim%20suryawanshi&f=false

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I don't see how this makes it confusing at all. The article refers to "the Cholas" frequently throughout and, as already stated, the sub-articles use this term without causing any confusion. On the contrary, "Chola empire" is confusing, because the state wasn't an empire for a large part of its

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If the article stays as it is, the lead should be rewritten to reflect the fact that for the first 1000+ years of the 1500 year period covered, the Cholas had one of several decent-sized South Indian kingdoms, but nothing sources call an empire (and for a period they had nothing). Some content

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While it has always been recognized that Shaivism, together with Vaishnavism, constitutes one of the major traditions of Hinduism, it has become increasingly clear that Shaivism, in fact, played a key role in the development of Brahmanical Hinduism.....During the early medieval period, Shaivism

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Moreover, Spencer talks about the continuous line of Sinhalese kings during the Chola period in the Rohana kingdom. “Ironically, the Chola settlements in the north in turn became targets of attack and plunder, partly because the Sinhalese "enemy"-remnants of the royal court and some chiefs who

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The Chola influence in the Nusantara archipelago would include the 3 ovals in the Malay peninsula, and the 2 ovals in Sumatra. The Munoz's map included some territory in West Java, but I don't think the Cholas had influence in any part of Java, so the Southernmost margin would be somewhere in

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Chola only had complete control of the Anuradhapura Kingdom, while the Principality of Ruhuna (Ruhunu Rata) was still under Sinhalese kings. States of the Principality of Malaya is not clear. The following map shows the area under each administrative unit. The corrected map only included the

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The Chola empire never had full control of the island at any point in history, and this is already discussed in a large amount of literature published on the matter, including primary literature cited on the page. Spencer, G. W. The Politics of Plunder: The Cholas in Eleventh-Century Ceylon.

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According to Spencer, “Under Rajendra Chola I, perhaps the most aggressive king of his line, Chola raids were launched southward from Rajarattha into Rohana. By his fifth year, Rajendra claimed to have completely conquered Ceylon, a claim that has led some historians to assert that Rajendra

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This was a premature close, and there was only a single support other than the nom (and he had begun by opposing). Can I ask you to revert it? The debate was not even advertised to the India project. This is an important article, and arguably not suitable for a non-admin close.

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Modern scholars call Shaivism a major Hindu traditions and not a seperate religion and that's how we should call it here too. You can write all this in the body, but that too will be irrelevent as this isn't a page about Shaivism or Hinduism. Here is list of religions in India -

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kingdom story that was told by Arabs. This Zabag may or may not be referring to Srivijaya. From the description of other Arabs people, Zabag may refer to Java in terms of geography. Central Java may not have an influence by Srivijaya, in Munoz's book it is conjectured from

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I don't think there exist a region or country called India when Chola dynasty exist. The entire region of southern India remained as a Tamilakam as mentioned in Sangam literature. Guess word Tamilakam apt better than the word Southern India for the Chola dynasty.

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which is literally talking about the empire. Most of this article talks about the empire. If you think Imperial cholas can be confused, do you think we should shift the content about the empire from this page to Imperial Cholas and name that to the Chola Empire?

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Well, all the sources i have provided calls Shivaism as a separate religion. That's we need and the Hinduism you call today did even exist. It was separate religion. As i told you, in modern times Shivaism is considered a sect but back then it was a separate

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covered here, but one of the problems with this article is that much of the material does not make it clear which parts of the 1500+ year period it relates to. Without consulting all the sources we would not know what to move. Otherwise moving content to

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No, modern scholars call it so in the Modern perspective and not what it was during the Chola era. We should call how it was during Chola era as this is a page about the Cholas. As i said Shivaism is not a separate religion now but it was back then it was

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Chola never controls the mountainous interior of the country, so your map is not accurate. Please cite your sources with direct quotes from relevant sections or otherwise; I will keep the previous map and make necessary changes to other parts later.

5014:, generally in the context of introducing the Cholas, Pandyas, and Cheras as a trio. The term is more specific than "south/southern/south-eastern India." I don't see a problem with the term being meaningful to the average reader, as it is linked. 3395:

The cholas belonged to Saivism as a religion. Hinduism did not exist when the latter Cholas ruled which is about 1000 years ago. The word Hindu was brought into by the British about 300 years ago. Hence please correct the religion to Saivism.

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It was not the current republic of India back then. It was a separate country under the Chola rule emperors. You are talking from Modern day perspective of Hinduism but I ask you see from Chola era perspective. It's not that complicated.

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Moden day Indians and Hindutuva followers might wish to believe otherwise but the History is already written and never in Chola land and Tamil rule Shivaism and Vaishnavism where under one umbrella or religion. They both were separate.

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My arguments are valid. Your logic is not valid when you compare and talk only in the perspective of current form of Hinduism and not Chola Era Shaivam and Vaishnavism. This page is about them and what it was back then. Simple.

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This clearly shows that Hinduism predates Shaivism, which was mere monotheistic sect of Hinduism like the others. Unless you point to the sources proving otherwise, 'Hinduism" remains as the religion of Cholas in the article.

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might be said to have ruled an empire, for about 50 years. The two together as still less than a fifth of the total period, for most of which the Chola territories could not really be called imperial. I'd support moving

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supported it were now more dispersed and capable of organizing guerrilla resistance. Since members of the royal house of Ceylon were natural rallying-points for counterattacks, the Cholas were anxious to seize them. The

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Spiliting the article into “Chola Kingdom”(early cholas) and “Chola Dynesty” (mideval and later cholas) and creating a separate article called “House of chola” for the dynesty itself would make this more clear to the

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Do note that we already mention in the para below the "three crowned kings" part along with Tamilakam and that should suffice (though the Tamilakam article is perhaps in need of renaming to a more descriptive term).

3005:. What you are doing is trying to change the definition of that page. And in this case we would need sources that shows that Shaivism and Hinduism are seperate faiths and doesn't share the relation that the current 2122: 153: 5432: 5232:

Hi SKAG123, I request you to change the map of Chola Empire in Sri Lanka region. Entire Sri Lanka is part of Chola Empire. Source: Spencer, G. W. The Politics of Plunder: The Cholas in Eleventh-Century Ceylon.

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The majority of independent encyclopedic sources, as listed above, do not agree with you. We cannot use terms which find no currency in the mainstream referential literature, right there in the lead sentence.

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Page 72 in second para and last line it says: "In Hindu society the religion of Shivaism is different from the religion of Vaishnavism and the religion of Vaishnavism is different from the religion of Vedanta"

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history Cholas were the followers of Shaivite religion and that was their official religion of the country though most of the time were tolerant with other religions such as Vaishnavism, Jainism and Buddhism.

4273:. This includes the Imperial Cholas section and the Administration and Society section and decline as I pointed out in my Original request. So more than half of the page is directly dedicated to the Empire. 2021:. "Shaivism (/ˈʃaɪvɪzəm/; Sanskrit: शैवसम्प्रदायः, Śaivasampradāyaḥ) is one of the major Hindu traditions that worships Shiva, which also includes Vaishnavism, Shaktism, and Smartism as the Supreme Being." 1536:

Vijayabahu I sent three armies to attack Polonnaruwa. One was sent along the western shore to Mahatittha and Polonnaruwa, another from the east across Magama, and the third and main force across Mahiyanga.

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debate. I am saying this is specifically an article on the empire and NOT the dynasty. Knowledge has different articles for those two and this article pertains to the political entity which is an empire.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Arts_and_Crafts_of_Tamilnadu/KfvqAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=raja+raja+chola+official+shaivism&dq=raja+raja+chola+official+shaivism&printsec=frontcover

2574: 2528: 2166: 1466: 2425:"Each of the religions, including Vaishnavism of Sri Ramanuja and Saivam of Saiva Siddhaantha, has distinct features of its own. There are also points of differences between one religion and another." 2298: 5427: 2429:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Hindu_Speaks_on_Religious_Values/cnLXAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=saivam+religion+vaishnavam&dq=saivam+religion+vaishnavam&printsec=frontcover

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No sir, that is not how complementary percentages work. If this is an empire page, that would only make about 39% of the content about the dynasty and that would be overlooking the fact that the

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Shaivism is the formal name for the group of traditions that worship Shiva as the supreme divinity..... This loose sect, which encompasses by far the large majority of Hindus, probably began ....

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However I could not find any sources that state a continuous connection between the two. The early and medieval cholas may have been related, however there is little evidence to suggest that

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Where is your reliable source that says the Sanskrit or any other language was used in Chola empire? You are not showing any proof or evidence about a foreign language used in Chola court.

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Because Hinduism as a collective form (under one umbrella) did not exist in Chola Land during their rule. Here we are talking about the Cholas official religion and not Nepal's or India's.

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I tend to agree with this, but it needs to be both linked and explained (as Jeromenada did). Outside India it is not very well known, but inside it has contemporary political resonances.

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their religion in the new religious name (a new umbrella term for Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism) or do you state the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka was once a buddhist country?

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We are only looking at what is the religion of The cholas? And if it Shivaism, then was Shivaism a separate religion or a sect? It was a separate religion as indicated by many references.

3657:. But the suzerainty of the 2 northmost territories is dubious: Lavo seems to be conjectured from its submission to Tambralinga, while Indrapura on Cambodia follows the narrative of the 1588:. But the suzerainty of the 2 northmost territories is dubious: Lavo seems to be conjectured from its submission to Tambralinga, while Indrapura on Cambodia follows the narrative of the 4923:. Most of these use south/southern/south-eastern India as a descriptive and nowhere is Tamilakam to be found here. The lead should not diverge from what the majority of sources follow. 4625:

because Chola what? You are unnecessarily making it confusing. This page clearly talks about the Empire. Otherwise half the content is not justified on this page and should be moved to

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That's irrelevant here. We are talking about the Chola dynasty and their religion. What all were the religions that existed during their time and what was the one they followed. Period.

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2. and 3. make extraordinary vast claims for the area of influence of the Chola empire, stretching far inland in Myanmar, Thailand, Cambodia, and Borneo, which have been challenged by

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Critique_of_Hinduism_and_Other_Religions/9xm7Jub14JMC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Shaiva+religion+vaishnava+religion&pg=PR9&printsec=frontcover

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irresponsible Wiki article to USURP other cultures under Sanskrit. It is an insult to the Tamil Empire. Please stop changing history. Show reliable proof and we can discuss it.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Encyclop%C3%A6dia_of_Religion_and_Ethics_Dra/xC1JAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=raja+raja+chola+religion&pg=PA24&printsec=frontcover

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Well, Shivaism a sect of Hinduism is only during the modern Times. During Chola rule or even after their rule in 1279 and up until Nayakkar rules it was two separate religions.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Journal_of_the_Music_Academy_Madras/dwgFAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=chola+religion&dq=chola+religion&printsec=frontcover

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article prehaps renaming it to "Chola Kingdom" and making it resemble an article for a kingdom by adding an infobox and moving all content related to the early cholas there.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/South_Indian_Bronzes/hVrqAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Shaivism+religion+chola&dq=Shaivism+religion+chola&printsec=frontcover

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Principality of Ruhuna (Ruhunu Rata) as the area of influence, while the entire Principality of Malaya was put under Chola control, even though this might not be the case.

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New map replaced the old map showing the greatest extent of Chola empire. It was corrected based on primary literature cited to show actual control Chola had on Sri Lanka.

5487: 2202:"The advance of Chola power in South India marks the advances also of the Saiva Religion, as most of the sovereign were of Saiva persuasion and richly endowed the temples" 5181:. It would better match the format since this article is about a dynasty rather than a kingdom or empire. It would also allow the rather to distinguish this article from 5537: 647: 147: 5517: 1316: 623: 2575:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_History_of_India_from_the_Earliest_A/dmcDAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=chola+religion&pg=PA562&printsec=frontcover

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Medieval_Indian_Literature_Surveys_and_s/KYLpvaKJIMEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=chola+religion&pg=PA513&printsec=frontcover

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Siddhanta_Deepika_Or_the_Light_of_Tr/W-gSAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=chola+religion&pg=PA185&printsec=frontcover

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https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-asian-studies/article/abs/politics-of-plunder-the-cholas-in-eleventhcentury-ceylon/926938631DA4BF69B0DED43421E08658

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essays_and_Lectures_Chiefly_on_the_Relig/sf1MAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=chola+religion&pg=PA36&printsec=frontcover

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Small suggestion, Cholas never ruled north India. So where ever the reference of north India is made it should be changed to Eastern Ghats OR South East India.

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is modern day Hinduism perspective. But during chola era it was not the case. Both Shivaism and Vaishnavism was a separate religion and there was no Hinduism.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Rupam/M5lAAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Shaivism+religion+chola&dq=Shaivism+religion+chola&printsec=frontcover

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_Tamilnad/bU1uAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=chola+religion&dq=chola+religion&printsec=frontcover

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_Tamilnad/bU1uAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=chola+religion&dq=chola+religion&printsec=frontcover

5472: 2343:"South indian bronzes belong to the hey day of the Chola kings who were enthusiastic patrons of Shaiva Religion and must have kept busy many generations" 2293:, became exceedingly violent and the Chola Monarch, who accordingly to some accounts, was at that time Kerikala Chola, being a devout worshipper of Siva" 793: 485: 79: 2335:

South Indian Bronzes: A Historical Survey of South Indian Sculpture with Iconographical Notes Based on Original Sources, 1978, Ordhendra Coomar Gangoly.

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their contemporaries that their descent was real. But rewriting here to make the "Chola gap" clearer would be good. We already have an article on the

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Indian_Culture/7xg6EAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Shaivism+religion+chola&pg=PT399&printsec=frontcover

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This one talks about Vaishnava religion. Between CE 1113 to CE 1164 the King Rai of Belai kingdom was converted to Vaishnava religion by Ramanuja :

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This indicates that Shaiva was a religion on its own during Chola period and they were against the Vaishnava religion many times during their rule.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Caste_Class_and_Power/5Sk1jX1p0ZAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=chola+religion&pg=PA13&printsec=frontcover

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Caste_Class_and_Power/5Sk1jX1p0ZAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=chola+religion&pg=PA13&printsec=frontcover

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as a religion to the page. We are talking about Hinduism, of which Shaivism is a sect. Any other definition of Shaivism doesn't comply with RS.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ancient_India/mrYBAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=chola+religion&pg=PA256&printsec=frontcover

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I repeat, Shivaism was a separate religion back then. There was no Hinduism (a religion where Shivaism and Vaishnavism considered as one.)

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Im sorry but any effort made by you cannot deny the fact that Shaivism by definition is a sect/faction/tradition of..... of? HINDUISM.

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This also indicates that during Chola rule Vaishnava and Saiva was separate religions and the Chola Monarchs followed Saiva Religion.

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He says remove Sanskrit in the Chola Wiki page as it is incorrect. There is no proof of anything but Tamil used in Chola empire.

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We could also create a master article named "house of Cholas" or "Chola Dynasty" and talking more about the dynasty itself there.

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The area of Srivijaya isn't that large to begin with. They don't have control over Borneo. It seems to be somewhat influenced by

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I'm not familiar with the division of areas in Sri Lanka. Also, I can't verify how much of the area should be corrected. Maybe @

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This article is about The Chola Dynasty and not the Republic of India. The modern day Hinduism did not exist back then. Period.

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Just because most practitioners of Buddhism in Sri Lanka are Theravada Buddhists, we cant let you invent a new religion called

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All clearly indicated Saiva was a separate religion during Chola rule and Saiva was the official religion of the chola kingdom.

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Since this Article is about the Dynasty as a Whole, I am planning on moving detailed information about the Imperial Cholas to

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so the only area pink area of the map should be Ambalantota rest of the island should be blue as it was under Chola control

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Shaiva and Vaishnav religions, i.e, those that are based on traditional philosophy and assimilated into the Hindu religion.

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How can the definition of Shaivism itself be irrelevant. It is completely if not more relevant than anything else here.

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Thus it is clear that Cholar only had an influence on the Rohana kingdom of the south of Sri Lanka, not direct control.

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You are in disagreement with multiple editors. Discuss your concerns here first instead of reverting again and again.

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1. After the capture of Mahinda V in 1017, the Sinhalese monarchs in Rohana submitted to the Cholas as subordinate or

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I am also thinking about replacing the Empire infobox with a Dynasty infobox, since this article is about a dynasty

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I suggest renaming this article to "Chola Empire" and only talking about the mideval and later rulers starting from

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I just wanted to add about the descendants of Cholas as you could find it with evidence in google and other sites

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says- "Hinduism has been called the oldest religion in the world." Why is this so, if it didn't exist back then?

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After the capture of Mahinda V, the Sinhalese rebels were limited to only Mahanagakula (modern-day Ambalantota)

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so "renaming this article to "Chola Empire" and only talking about the mideval and later rulers starting from

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and that should be renamed to Chola Empire. As it stands today, we have 2 pages talking about the same topic.

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I'll introduce some sources here that clearly point out that Shaivism is a sect/faction/tradition of Hinduism.

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In fact there would be room for both articles, but the "Imperial Cholas" represent only part of the history.

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Nope. Your argument is not constructive. The Cholas were following it as a religion as indicated by the refs.

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can help, since if I edited it and it is still wrong, no one knows how many edits until the map is correct.

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This ref talks about Saiva as a religion in Chola period and it being the court religion (official) as well.

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It also talks about How Chola kings many times persecuted Vaishnavites and their religion during their rule.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Ethnicity_Culture_and_Nationalism_in_Nor/2NoK24t_dPMC?hl=en&gbpv=1

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was in existence long before the days of Ramanujan, however much he may have reformed altered or added it."

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However, per a request at my talk page I have reopened the discussion. I am attaching the discussion here.

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That doesn't follow. I could say "if this is an empire page, over half the content doesn't belong here"!

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This indicates Vaishnava was a separate religion in itself ever after the Chola rule which ended in 1279.

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This indicates Vaishnava was a separate religion in itself ever after the Chola rule which ended in 1279.

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has been authorised by the community for pages related to South Asian social groups, including this page.

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https://www.google.com/books/edition/Mother_India/1s7WAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Saiva%20religion

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The author says: "Belong to the heyday of Chola kings who were enthusiastic patrons of Shaiva religion"

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For most of the period covered the dynasty is a not subtopic of the Empire, as that didn't yet exist.

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You are confusing with Modern day Hinduism with the then separate religion Shaivism and Vaishnavism.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20110722030542/http://www.ices.lk/publications/inscript2_kno_review.shtml

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both maps are incorrect and have therefore been replaced with a more accurate one for several reasons

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of 2011 showed a small influence in Borneo but this is unconfirmed. The proper Srivijayan territory

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None of the sources presented by you talk about Hinduism and Shaivism together in the same context.

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sects like Shaivism and Vaishnavism developed during this same period through the Bhakti movement.

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Even if some sources call Shaivism a religion, that doesn't mean that it isn't a part of Hinduism.

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The author says: "The chola kings introduced Shaiva Religion and Tamil language into Sri Lanka."

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Medieval Indian Literature: Surveys and selections (Assamese-Dogri), 1997, K. Ayyappa Paniker

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I know really. Just setting the ground with the most basic undisagreeable information.

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the island (except parts of the coasts under srivijaya) were undiscovered at the time.)

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If this is a dynasty page, more than half of its content shouldn't be included here.

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In official languages REMOVE sanskrit. Dont play. Warning will not be repeated!!!!!!

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and building and providing for Siva shrines they were not hostile to other religion."

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Essays and Lectures Chiefly on the Religion of the Hindus, Horace Hayman Wilson, 1861

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and building and providing for Siva shrines they were not hostile to other religion."

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I029-Io4I)48 while attempting to organize a campaign of liberation and unification””

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Just because cholas were following it, doesnt mean it becomes a religion. I repeat,

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Saivism is not only the oldest but also the Most Predominant Religion in Tamil Nadu"

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Indian Culture: A Compendium of Indian History, Culture and Heritage, S. Naganath

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Both Shivaism and Vaishnavism was a separate religion and there was no Hinduism.

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Mother India, Monthly Review of Culture · Volume 50, 1997, Sri Aurobindo Ashram

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Ethnicity, Culture, and Nationalism in North-east India, 1996, M. M. Agrawal.

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Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics: Dravidians-Fichte, 1908, James Hastings.

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choice but to start a new article on the Chola Empire, not Chola Dynasty.

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rule, which ruled both Java and Sumatra. The Sailendras originate from Java.

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Even though you aren't showing any intent on acknowledging what I'm saying.

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became the dominant religious tradition of many Hindu regional kingdoms...

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indicating Saivism was a separate religion by itself during Chola period.

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The initiater haven't given any reason for the move and I don't see any.

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I'm not seeing anything in the target article that validates this claim.

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The area of Srivijaya isn't that large. The proper Srivijayan territory

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Per user request, I am relisting and notifying the India project.

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Looking at this article, this mostly fits in the Empire category.

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as a seperate religion. So your arguments are not valid.

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might be a good solution - that already redirects here.

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