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emphasizes that the music predominantly has a monophonic melody. Surprisingly, one of the first forms of music that is still popular today was the Book of Psalms. This is what the Jewish and the early
Christians sang, before hymns were written. These psalms are found in our Bibles today and we continue to reference these verses as we speak and sing praises. Another type of music that was appropriate for the practice of Catholicism was the Canticle. Today Canticles are still sung as part of many liturgies in the Roman Catholic Church. These are now recognized as “Gregorian Chants,” after Pope Gregory. Kamien now introduces a new type of worship. These songs are melodies and have been set to sacred Latin text.
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Christian Music, what is the truth behind the song? Will it bring that lost one to God? Will it open doors for that one that is seeking Christ and looking for further direction in their walk or yet, is God speaking to them and in turn as Christ spoke thousands of years ago reaching out to others through that one who chose to listen to music written by an Artist.
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African-American genre (urban contemporary) while the Christian music article focused on CCM. A group striped most of the Christian music-related articles including Southern Gospel, Christian metal, and the ones mentioned above, trying to show that they are all the same music, just different styles. It's been a while since the Wikiproject has made any sort of organized effort to do a cleanup, perhaps it is time to look at that again. --
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The references to the material was at the end. I shifted some around. Maybe this will make you happy. This is not original research to anyone who studied early
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Gregorian Chants were the main style for about four hundred years (900s to 1300s) and if you extend it to include plainchant in general, for almost 1300 years. This means that your statement "it wasn't long before..." is pretty much nonsensical. Then the fact that churches didn't employ organs until
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Christian music across the world and across the ages, but should seek to AVOID going into any depth in any of them. (Its section on CCM, for instance, should be pruned back.) Imagine it as a sort of "table of contents" with a little bit of
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Absolam made a minor edit but it appeared that all external links were deleted. I actually frequent the top artist list on those links. If you want to delete external links, delete the spam ones and the others that just don't belong. Don't mass delete all external links and then call your edit a
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Christian music or hymns began in the Middle Ages and are still active in the twenty-first century today. Graduate of Princeton University and author of the book Music: An Appreciation, Roger Kamien states that the Greek, Syrian, and the Hebrew were all strong influences of the church music. He
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On seven different occasions the phrase "make a joyful noise" is found in the King James Version of Psalms. The Book of Psalms encourages worship by clapping hands, playing various musical instruments, shouting, and singing. "O come, let us worship and bow down, let us kneel before the LORD our
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dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord - Col 3:16. 7) In the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee - Heb 2:12. 8) Is any among you afflicted? Let him pray. Is any
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