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Columbus at Comic Con 2012 could be cropped to just include the two on the right. #1, you'd actually be able to see him , and #2 the emcee isn't relevant, but Ned Vizzini is, and could be briefly ID'd in the caption as his co-author on the House of Secrets book series.
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