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common in 1915 as it is today. The soldiers were known as 'Anzacs', the holiday as 'Anzac Day' and the location as 'Anzac Cove' and the 'Anzac sector'. All contemporary sources refer to these as proper nuns, not as fully-capitalised acronyms. For references see the Knowledge discussion on the 'Anzac Day' page. Similarly, I Anzac Corps and II Anzac Corps were not named 'I ANZAC Corps' and 'II ANZAC Corps' (besides which the the final 'C' in 'ANZAC' stands for 'Corps' anyway), and the Anzac Mounted Division was not named 'ANZAC Mounted Division'.
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Anzac - a type of biscuit (cookie) made to an original Scottish recipe from, inter alia, rolled oats, sugar, plain flour, coconut, butter, golden syrup or treacle but no eggs providing, when appropriately packed, good keeping qualities which enabled them to be sent as comforts to Australian and New
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The original term 'ANZAC' began as a telegraphic address. We refer to it now as an 'acronym', but that terminology was never used in contemporary writing on the topic, probably because the use of acronyms - and I mean the actual definition of an acronym , not an abbreviation - was nowhere near as
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I'm of pretty much the same view as Orderinchaos. This article probably belongs at ANZAC, since it is an acronym. In other uses it's largely regarded as an adjectival word, so lower-casing the latter letteres makes sense. I see no rerason why there shouldn't be redirects from the alternative
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are the actual names of those places so their articles are titled appropriately. I was interested to find that ANZAC park in Raymond Terrace is listed on the NSW Geographical Names Register as "Anzac Park". I've seen the actual paperwork used to register that name and I've seen the return
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is currently a disambiguation page listing Anzac biscuits and so forth. Every single thing on the page is named after the Australian and NZ Army Corps, so it seems a bit ridiculous for ANZAC to be a disambiguation page rather than a redirect to here. I propose making
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It seems reasonable that these two articles should be merged. The existance of two similarly named articles is confusing. I am not familiar enought with the content to do the merge, but I am adding a "see also" to both pages, so that users can find both.
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Keeping this article at this title seems fine, as I suppose this article actually discusses the usage of "ANZAC" as an acronym, rather than, say, discussing what the Anzac spirit is for example. I'm more interested in moving the other articles, like
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While I agree with using lowercase when the word is used as an adjective, I'd also argue that we should be very careful about which form we use and, where the capitalisation is questionable, we should defer to ANZAC as the original form.
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for this page as its the acronym. For the place, street names caution should be exercised to ensure the capitalisations are consistant with the official naming. Where its used as an adjective I support the change to
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series. It seems it was cut and pasted first from "Anzac" to "ANZAC" and then to "Australian and New Zealand Army Corps" so somehow the edit histories need to be merged, at least between "Anzac" and this article.
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is one such case. I had hoped to find an official document that confirmed the spelling but I haven't been successful. The RTA page is titled "Anzac Bridge" but refers to "ANZAC Bridge" in the opening sentence.
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storing this here for now: "Within Australia (I am unsure about New Zealand) the ANZACs came to stood not just for the troops in World War I, but for Australian soliders in time of war more generally."
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The reason for renaming the bridge would imply that "ANZAC" is the correct spelling but various photos of the bridge don't help confirm that either, even though they do show "ANZAC", not "Anzac".
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as it is an acronym when referring to the Corps, but when used as an adjective, I agree that common usage means it would be "Anzac" in other articles - eg Anzac Day, Anzac biscuits and so on.
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lower down. They should be together, one after the other. When I tried to do that, however, they ended up side-by-side which looks crap. Can someone make them vertically under each other?
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Thanks for commenting. I think with the tv show, you could just use a hatnote to direct people looking for the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps, but whatever works.
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Readers are going to be going to their local supermarket asking the sales clerks which aisle the "inter alia" is in. Couldn't we say it in English?
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We should do what reliable sources do. Reliable sources are about 50-50 on this. Therefore there is no reason to change our own usage, yet.
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Whilst some organisations have a policy of dropping the capitals for acronymns (e.g. The Guardian), this isn't the case for wikipedia. See
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article has a confusingly redundant title. Either that, or the "Army Corps (army corps)" article should be renamed (see discussion on the
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The above, minus the parenthetical comment, is already on the main page. Better a crime of omission than comission, IMHO. --KQ
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where it started from? It doesn't have a great deal to do with the corps and so is out of place amongst the rest of the
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mass move. No prejudice to discussing individual cases where move is warranted on the relevant talk page. —
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I'd be inclined to keep them seperate, but you do have a point in that much of the content is duplicated.
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Can't there be more about New Zealand because they were in this organisation two, note the NZ in ANZAC.
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into a disambiguation page, but someone might want to merge the content here if they think it's useful.
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I agree. There is a lot of redundant material duplicated between the two articles and the
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relates to the WWI Corps. I certainly view the Corps as the primary topics. Opinions? --
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Being based on the spirit of the original ANZACS, which used the all uppercase acronym,
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confirmation using "ANZAC" so even official registers seem to vary the capitalisation.
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or vice versa, and this page's article should have a redirect from
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If not identical topics then at least a very heavy overlap.
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capitalisations in some cases, though - we should have an
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the disambiguation page, and ANZAC a redirect to here. --
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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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with two curly brackets on each end. There's also a
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article, anyway. Can this article be moved back to
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content assessment
Anzac
Australian and New Zealand Army Corps
Anzac
Angela
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Hamedog
00:34, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Shermozle
09:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Anzac biscuits
Anzac
1st AIF
Geoff/Gsl
12:05, 1 May 2004 (UTC)
Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (army corps)
Australian and New Zealand Army Corps (army corps)
A Y Arktos
10:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Army Corps (army corps)
Army Corps (army corps) talk page
Hu
02:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Chimpex
16:19, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
ANZAC
ANZAC (disambiguation)
Helenalex
talk

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