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Every American raised in America is ethnically American, when American is being used as shorthand to refer to the "United States of America". Millions of Black Chinese in Guangdong and many other places in China are Chinese citizens. "Chinese" is indeed an ethnicity, however Americans who generally
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Stating a misnomer as not a misnomer isn't impartiality though, it is bias. If we should stick strictly to the facts, then the term should be described as what it is. Mentioning what it is in plain language, does not have to interfere with describing how it's used. Since it can be logically proven
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Is there Knowledge guideline I can read on descriptivism? Also, even by that interpretation, there are sources that describe it as a misnomer because strictly speaking, it is. I also question whether the article is even necessary, as we do not have articles on "American-born British" and
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The tone of Knowledge articles should be impartial, neither endorsing nor rejecting a particular point of view, unless a point of view is overwhelmingly supported or rejected by reliable sources. Indicate the relative prominence of opposing views. Avoid stating opinions as
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There are no "ethnic" americans, unless you count Native Americans. The africans who live in guangdong probably don't identify as chinese, just as persian merchants in ancient china didn't. "Han Chinese" IS an ethnicity. go read the article on
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In China there are millions of Black/African Chinese in places like Guangdong, and millions of White Chinese across the country as well. You are being extraordinarily racist by erasing these people. Also, I need not remind you that
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American. The average Asian American, with the exception of first generation immigrants, speaks American English as a native tongue, lives an American life, and knows little about Chinese cultural specifics and
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generally describe things. Someone can both identify with being an American national and being of Chinese descent, which does not make it contradictory or a misnomer. –
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Yeah, but the difference is, American-born Chinese is a recognised, widely used term. Neither of the terms you mention are. You clearly want Knowledge to bend to your
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Wow mate you know absolutely fuck all about chinese people do you? When people say they are American born chinese, they mean that they are americans who are
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do not know anything about China, Chinese cultural norms, Chinese popculture, and cannot speak the language, do not qualify. Go read the article on
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I sort of agree with this. Short of diplomatic exceptions, the vast majority of Americans are American born. The term is also misleading and a
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No it isn't, and most editors who have posted on the talk page are in agreement. You clearly want Knowledge to bend to your
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This article just gives a definition. How is it notable? If it is notable, should we make more American-born articles?
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It doesn't matter how we feel labels for social groups / ethnicities should work, Knowledge follows a
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as well, because in many cases it refers to Americans who are not Chinese.
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Resolve the disparity in importance rankings among different ethnic groups
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are against guidelines. Such hostile behavior is a dereliction of duty.
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that it is indeed a misnomer, what is your objection to this?
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If you think this article should be removed, you can
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