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During the civil war, all sides were primarily supported by one of the three largest ethnic groups in the country. For example, the Mbundus who mostly lived on the coastal areas and larger cities supported the MPLA and the mostly rural, less wealthy Obimbundus supported UNITA. While the Civil War was
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I was checking into the matters of this war since a recent video, and i came upon a weird statement in the infobox on the actual wikipedia article that "50 000 Cuban soldiers deserted" during this war. It seems rather... Weird since a little over 300 000 Cubans went over there during the whole war,
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rural non-communist). There are clearly compounding events in neighbouring "countries" but the article does not present this context (eg the Namibia-South Africa-Angola dynamic). The article describes three main divisions to the conflict. Arguably, each phase should be dealt with as: issues,
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I was wondering if it was possible to remove the statement from the statistics until it is supported by some other (non biaised) sources, because it feels like just an error or an overestimation or a voluntary mixup by people who doesn't really like the regime.
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betray the outdatedness of the article. The Aftermath and "In popular culture" sections are not cohesive, and the latter might be worth axing entirely as a collection of trivia. The citation style is mixed and some books lack page number cites.
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section is not supported by what follows - ie it is suggested that root of the conflict is ethnic (tribal) but the body of the article suggests that it is more socio-political (city communist
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Sudan had supported the Zaireans during the Shaba invasions. The Shaba invasions had Angolan Civil War veterans in it. Did Sudan provide support during the Angolan civil War?
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Executive summary: this is an incoherent article. I have not compared it yet with the original promotion that might be a point from which to start anew. the
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not motivated by ethnic hatred, there was definitely a wealth inequality between the groups that the article doesn't go into as much detail as it could.
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in detail. It doesn't. At places, it reports "support" by other nations without describing the nature of such support. At other places, it reports
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conflict, resolution and analysis (or similar). However, the article structure does not follow this but is decadic. This is the
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GA from 2007. There's some uncited sections and a refimprove tag for roots of the the conflict section that needs to be cited.
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I don't see any mention of it in the main article either, I think removing it until we can get a better source is a good call.
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It made its way back into the article, despite beeing flagged "dubious" in the Cuban involvment in Angola article
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You have been blocked several times on other wikis for edit warring and making socks (which is a huge no no).
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Which after research seems heavily biaised, the statement itself comes from a former Cuban General "56 000" (
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Horowitz, Irving Louis (1995). Cuban Communism/8th Editi. Transaction Publishers. p. 560
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https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-1987-06-30-8702250398-story.html
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I've removed it several times already but someone keeps adding it back.
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can you explain why you reverted my edit without an explanation?
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article for the conflict. It should deal with events at the
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The only source for this statement is the following,
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