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Emergency - A&E department. The introduction of paramedics in the 1990's on to ambulances changed that and as a result many people are now declared dead at the scene of an incident. It may seem strange for example that a person could be in bits, head detached etc., but legally still alive as no doctor could certify that they were dead.
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While everybody loves a good conspiracy theory, this page contains too much information on the allegations made by one or two people. There's no actual evidence Neave sought to clean up the intelligence services, and the claim that the INLA lacked the technology to build the mercury-triggered bomb
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Northern Ireland brief "almost a sideline".' Whatever you might wish, NI is still in the UK and your sneaky pro-IRA edits aren't welcome.
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Snowded, I've had a look at the SIS page and it refers to the organisation as the SIS in the section covering the 1970s, the time relevant to my edit. If SIS is an older title as you suggest, then why is it the name of the article describing the current organisation?
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