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America refers to as Gulf War I, and his attitude toward NAFTA, TANF, the tax bill of 1997, the execution of Ricky Ray Rector, the withdrawal of support for Lani Guiner on the part of the Clinton-Gore WH, and the hundreds of thousands that were starved in Iraq in the 1990's consequent the embargo imposed in that country. ---Kab ibn al Ashraf
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rolls, despite knowing that the method being used would result in many false positives (i.e., removals of voters who were actually qualified). The methods used ensured that the improper removals would disproportionately affect
Democratic voters. This purge resulted in a lawsuit. In 2002 (too late to help Gore, obviously), Florida settled the case against it by agreeing to restore the voting rights of the affected individuals, and to implement other remedial measures. See, for example,
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believe there really is a need for some form of 'official' archiving mechanism - perhaps the wiki wonks who do the core programming can come up with something, maybe even a code contest or something to jump start the process. easy for me to say though, about all i'm capable of is typing './configure;
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Albert Gore, Jr. is very much a member of
America's ruling class. One need only look at the history of his family to see this. The nominal American Left tends to elevate Albert Gore, Jr. into a demi-god because of his environmental positions--see Nobel icon with his portrait, for example. I would
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Of course, as it stands, it flatly asserts that no malfeasance has been established. There is no citation for what I and many others consider a falsehood. As an interim measure, I’ve added a “citation needed” tag. I don’t think it’s my burden to meet
Anastrophe’s demand for a citation. If the
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The Ashden Awards for
Sustainable Energy highlights and rewards exemplary and successful examples of sustainable energy use both in the UK and the developing world. Through the awards scheme and related activities, the Ashden Awards aim to persuade policy makers, funders and the wider public to
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Anastrophe restored the sentence, writing, “Interesting assertion, but would be best served by providing a citation and copyediting to indicate the malfeasance.” I believe that following that suggestion would entail getting into excessive detail for the Al Gore bio article. It would require
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In my opinion, the article's introduction paragraph makes it seem like he is dead. It is most common on
Knowledge (XXG) for the deceased's articles to open "Name (XXXX-XXXX)was...", and Gore's article starts "Albert Arnold "Al" Gore, Jr. (born March 31, 1948) was...". It's kind of confusing.
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Al Gore's youngest daughter Sarah married according to a family spokeswoman. Sarah Gore, 28, married (Taiwanese
American) Bill Lee 36, a Los Angeles businessman, The daughter of the former vice president and Democratic presidential nominee is a Harvard graduate and a medical student at the
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If none of the claims in this quoted material have been proven, then the accusations should not be present in the article. When someone has credible proof, not merely citing someone else making the same unproven accusations, then these claims can be returned to the article.
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In the opening section, the article claims there is speculation over the possibility of Gore's candidacy for president. At this point, it is essentially too late for Gore to run and this should be edited. Unfortunately, I am simply anonymous and cannot edit this article.
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I believe the reason there isn't an official one right now is because the bots usually make an absolute hash of it imo. I manually archive pages because I haven't yet found a bot which has a sane syntax and can be trusted to archive in a timely manner at a sensible length.
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I agree. In addition to being free, the 1994 photo is an "official" portrait more suited to the top of an article. The later photo may be more suited to the section which deals with the film. There is nothing I know of which indicates photos on headers must be up to
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The current article mentions the 2000 presidential election results as Gore having received "51,003,926 (48.4%", according to the
Federal Election Commision (fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm) the actual total number of votes is: 50,999,897 (48.4%) total votes.
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actually, even this isn't a full restore of everything since 30 days ago, but that's not a big deal. what about setting up miszabot for archiving? i've never used it, but from the few talk pages i've seen that it's used on, it sure seems to do the job adequately.
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But Gore was more than a vice-president, he was the popular vote Presidential nominee and there are scores of public domain photographs of Gore from within the last two decades. I mean, Al isn't really even recognizable here. You're doing him a disservice.
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about the settlement. Accordingly, I removed the unsubstantiated sentence that falsely exonerated the culprits in Florida. My ES said, “rm assertion of no malfeasance; lawsuit established that many of the 50,000 purge victims were purged illegally”.
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recognise renewable energy and energy efficiency as a crucial tool for addressing the urgent global issues of climate change, pollution and energy supply as well as the social and economic needs of local communities across the globe.
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Apologies - my hope was just to clean up a bit and there were relatively old conversations in the mix. Go ahead and restore any conversations that you think need to be. And yes, I think setting up an automatic archive is a good idea.
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One of the major criticisms in the current FAC concerns the surplus of information in the article that remains unsourced. The sentence you refer to was referenced by one editor as part of a longer paragraph which entirely lacks
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But I have interesting new information. I won't be following this Al Gore thing, since I'm going to be quite busy for a while, so I'm hoping someone might do it for me. If something interesting happens...you know what to do!
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Is it acceptable to have a scroll bar for the footnotes as a user has added to this article? I've never seen it used on any article before, even those with more references than this article, so I'm surprised to see it here.
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This is an old comment which has already been addressed - criticism was added and woven into various sections throughout the article (which is a standard approach in many biographies in the Knowledge (XXG) - see for example
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close attention to the quality of what the bots do. i've merely noticed there's a fair number of pages that use the 'miszabot', and it's never stuck out like a sore thumb. but again - not paying close attention. however, i
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discussion of the suit and settlement, NPOV presentation of the opposing view (that the purge was proper), and similar detail about the other malfeasance issues (such as the “riot” that interfered with the recount).
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I would like to propose that we set this up for a trial run and see what the results would be. If it works, great. If people don't like the results, they can always be reverted and the bot removed. Thoughts?
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The portrait of Gore in the intro is far too old. It is from 1994-- 13 years ago. I found a recent picture of Gore on Knowledge (XXG) in the article about his movie. I propose using this more recent photo.
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Al Gore gave a keynote speech to award winners and guests of the Ashden Award for Sustainable Energy prize-giving ceremony, at the Royal Geographical Society in London, United Kingdom on 21st June 2007.
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It really seems better just to remove the sentence and leave the detailed discussion of Florida 2000 to several other Knowledge (XXG) articles where it’s more on point. Here, it would just be clutter.
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Al Gore wins one of three $ 1 million Dan David Prizes. He is coming to Israel in May to collect the prize, which he says he will donate to charity.
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There is no election going on for Al Gore. Why don't we have edit rights?
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