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The architectural examples section ought to represent a concise list of the most notable examples, which is clearly not the case at present - it needs some work. There are of course thousands of buildings associated with the Arts and Crafts or loosely built in a related style, but the aim here is to
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I own a craftsman bungalow in Grant Park (Atlanta) and am attempting restoration with limited funds; a slow but steady process. I love the clean lines and simple artistry of solid heart pine carpentry. I'm looking to share resources, salvage goods sources, and tips and techniques with others out
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I noticed that the lead image was very dark and shadowy, and as a result, doesn't seem to convey much. I would replace it, however, the breadth of the movement means that there are quite a few options of good images, and many potential things to represent it. Any thoughts on what should head it?
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Suffolk Park because the only references I can find are mirrored from this article (Mindmeister, Answers.com etc.) and give no details. A map search shows this building is probably in Edinburgh, but I could not find any mention of it elsewhere.
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