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an English language article and so names should be in English first with the Spanish name second, and only if needed for clarity...unless the Spanish name is commonly used in English. 3..There is some weasel wording and nationalist bravado that needs to be sorted out. 4..Most of the references are not reliable secondary sources. Many of those references are also poorly written primary sources some of which should simply be removed. 5..Some of the references, even though they are primary, do contain some useful detail. If appropriate they could be put into external links. I do understand that any article of this nature is likely to have to rely on statistical data and some primary information, but this should be kept to a minimum. 6..English language sources would be useful. Happy to discuss if anyone has alternative opinions on this article. I fully expect I will make mistakes along the way - I am no expert in Spanish or the technical detail of the Argentinian airforce.
1201:: 5/20 got up until the bigger heading of Organization. again going thru the es version and adding stuff, mostly refs (og translator didn't add them); and rewording so things are clearer. Unfortunately all refs are in Spanish but what are you gonna do, it's Argentina. Noticed many sections go wayyy into detail, usually on long lists of exactly which aircraft were involved in a play-by-play of a conflict (*cough cough* the Falkland section). Going to need to go thru that and pare it down a bit. Not entirely sure how much detail to include (I am a n00b after all) but perhaps linking to the article on the Falkland War itself would be better than info-dumping? Well that's my thoughts. Also in some places there's verging on "FAA is the best!!1!" so gonna have to tone that down. 1180:. As par for the course, noticing lots of other things that need to be cleaned up along the way (clarification of terms, adding missing stuff from the Spanish as well as their citations, organizing for clarity, yada yada). Trying to not delete anything and add copious citation needed tags if the stuff I'm adding is not cited in the es version. NOTE: I am *not* an expert in this, so plz lend your knowledge if you have any. With that said, seems to help sometimes to not know what's going on since it forces me to go research and write for other people who have no knowledge of the subject. But again, help appreciated. 752:
members of the Argentine Air Force). It also omitted the Pucará and listed aircraft as the Embraer Super Tucano and Texan II in service, again, aircraft not in the inventory of the Argentine Air Force. The Pucará is still in service and will continue in active service until 2022. It also listed the KC-390 (still a prototype) and omitted the Fokker F28. I have repaired these nonsense changes and provided source for my information. Please try to be serious, as this is an encyclopedia and not some childish blog site as Taringa or Reddit. -Nicosolerf1-
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I notice above that a 'tidy up' has been noted from several months ago. I have begun to do that as of May 2021. IMO there is a lot more to do than merely ironing out the rough translations from the Spanish original. 1..Much of the detail is not needed and amounts to verbosity and clutter. 2..This is
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In 10/06/2016, I found that this page "Aircraft Inventory" list was completely wrong. It listed aircraft as the M-346 Master as the country's primary defense aircraft. It hasn't been bought yet, and it isn't even the primary choice for the A-4AR replacement, the favourite being the FA-50 (source:
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The numbers in this section are wrong, e.g. A-4AR are 34, only 2 have been official retired due crashes, some are stored but could return to operational status at no time. Same for Mirages. It is not accurate to take these numbers from a Netherland's spotters website
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Despite the fact that it never went beyond prototype stage due to economic reasons, the Pulqui is still considered important in aviation history because it was the first jet fighter to be entirely developed and built in
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Also your dispute dosent merit a box on the wiki article and i have thus removed it from the article. When you have a valid source then feel free to revive this dispute. Other wise this is all a waste of time. Thanks.
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Hello! argentine mirages are all set together in Tandil Airbase they are not in San Luis Vylla Reynolds and the numbers are all wrong!
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Better to discuss here than to edit war. Personally I cannot see the problem with noting that such a large number are not in service.
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I suggest instead of reverting edits with no argument except from your own bias opinion, that you should find (like Bushranger said)
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you can't use the RAF hierarchy as a source in an article about the Argentine Air Force, they are not directly compatible -
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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In the comparison chart of other ranks the equivalent Royal Air Force ranks are incorrect in one particular.
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way too much detail in some places, link to main articles (do I know how to do that? figure it out)
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A flight Sergeant is of higher rank than a Chief Technician. These two entries should be reversed.
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copy editing cleanup for the sections I haven't translated personally
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the 6th country in the world to develop such technology on its own.
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First jet fighter entirely developed and built in Latin America
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Someone please add this information to the article (from the
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Hello! Here to clean up the rough translation from the
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