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So now we get to the heart of the matter. You ascribe political machinations to what the number of
Armenians in Azerbaijan is. I don't. I just want the best-cited figure. While your source is newer it's also not reliable. We can't be changing numbers because it makes someone uncomfortable. I'd rather
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I would like to edit the section in which the author(s) of this
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either. My argument has been that the sources cited that happen to give 20-30,000 seem reasonable to me. If those sources said there were only 12 Armenians then I'd support 12. I'm only looking at the sources. I don't know what the correct number is and I doubt it really matters. I'm not familiar
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Turkish. I don't hate Armenians. Because I'm not racist. But what is the source of this term?? Armenian people bring up their nationalistic ideas into these words. They are smart. Many Knowledge (XXG) articles back-up their nationalistic future plans. Six vilayets is better term.
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