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free will (not that it is freed) and that he can therefore decide to repent of sin and come to God; the
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Arminianism." i scanned to the top of that section but didn't see an explanation for this term/concept. so i used the "find" feature of the browser to look for "regeneration." not once was it explained. i finally "found" it waaayy down at the bottom, "defined" as:
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