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Afghanistan or the Russian Far East, so neither should be listed on this page. Not to mention that Asia-Pacific is increasingly being used as a geopolitical term and it never includes Afghanistan. Afghanistan is not a member of the Asia-Pacific Trade Agreement either. The sources I have provided do not support the inclusion of Afghanistan so if you have some sort of credible source that actually supports the inclusion of it, then we can have a look. However, right now there's nothing and I believe it should be removed. The article should speak only about the core Asia-Pacific countries and those are countries that are part of East Asia, South Asia, Southeast Asia and Oceania only. (
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Australian students to learn about the Asia-Pacific and as part of the curriculum Afghanistan is not included and thus isn't included in the South Asia section. That just goes to show that the definition of "South Asia" changes and in the case of Asia-Pacific, it doesn't include Afghanistan because it's not one of the core countries of the region. Like I said, Afghanistan is not always included in South Asia so to use your subjective definition of the region and apply to this case with no sources makes no sense. We're supposed to follow the information provided by sources. I provided a
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I have removed the Iran note because Iran is never considered to be a part of South Asia apart from the UN definition. No organisation or people who live in South Asia consider Iran to be geographically, politically or culturally a part of South Asia and I think it's wise to stick to the traditional
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Okay, I am aware of the content featured on the map but this page should really just speak about the core Asia-Pacific countries. Having said that, I can also see that the map doesn't have any sources to back up the inclusion of Afghanistan or the Russian Far East. Do you have any credible sources
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Even though Azerbaijan and Turkey are politically closer to Europe, geographically, the majority of both countries' territories are situated in Asia. Also since this article is about geography, we should not ignore geographical facts solely because of political issues.
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where me and several other users suggested the lede's claim about "South-Central Asia" is wrong and poorly sourced -- they want it to state "Afghanistan is a landlocked country in South Asia." In fact, after a few weeks, I may start a formal RfC to settle the lede.
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listed. It appears to be that you don't agree with that anymore, is that right? So if we're focusing on sources, do you have any source to support your claim that Afghanistan should be included in the list of Asia-Pacific countries? We need a credible source. (
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Hello, so do you agree that the map needs to re-edited and that the page should focus solely on the countries that are traditionally accepted as being core Asia-Pacific countries? Also, Mongolia is a core Asia-Pacific country. It's a member of the
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Apologies for the late reply. Okay, I think that's an appropriate source to use to support its inclusion. I think we need more sources to boost credibility because one source isn't appropriate but for now I think it's okay. Thanks for the link.
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