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We're not here to discuss our opinions on technical choices. Your opinion, and mine, don't matter. We're here to build a neutral encyclopedia. "efficiency and comfort of a wide-body long haul airliner" don't exist. "previous generation of airliners in the same class" is misleading without a clear
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Sections are not mandatory but it's not an opening to have a subpar layout either. Indeed, "Marketing" could be a subsection of /Operators/. But a "Legal aspects" seems misplaced; and the Boeing dumping petition, Airbus partnership then takeover are an important part of the program history, and
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