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in a non-peer-reviewed magazine) I highly doubt the accuracy of the claim that Lt.Col Vo Minh Triet thought all enemies dead. All sources I know of claim that he had to keep a strategic schedule set by his superiors and didn't have a particular interest in slugging it out with the 2/28th since his troops were out of food. As far as I know he assumed the battle tactically won when the Americans started disengaging. Therefore I suggest either deleting those sentences entirely or finding a better source that can actually stand on its own.
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participants in the battle are the forces send out to rescue companies A and D. Those rescue forces were also participants in the battle and also suffered casualties. That should be clarified or explained, otherwise the infobox gives the impression that the US suffered nearly 100 percent casualties.
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The entire first section of the "Aftermath" section does not coincide with any of the interviews with Vo Minh Triet I have so far seen recorded on TV or accounts I have read in proven good sources like Maraniss' "they marched into sunlight". Given the source that is used for citation (a short article
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It's a shame no one referenced the Project CHECO report on this action (listed by the project as "Ambush at XT 686576"). It has some good, period information about the ambush (and it's clearly identified as such throughout the report). Although it focuses much of its attention on fire support for the
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in the Prelude section, this sentence probably needs a citation: "Early in October, Viet Cong soldiers of the 271st Regiment had arrived in Long Nguyen but they could not obtain their much-needed food supplies, as a result of allied search-and-destroy operations which had created significant food
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there is still a missing word here. For instance, "slightly direction to the west" is missing a word between "slightly" and "direction". In this case slightly is an adjective describing the noun (direction), but it requires a second adjective to describe the noun in this case. For instance, this
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I believe you are correct about the misleading aftermath section. There are other problems with the article. US participants in the battle are given as 142 to 155, and casualties listed add up to 141. No way. Casualties are probably correct, but what are not included among the American
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In 'They Marched Into Sunlight', the book mentions many problems with the NVA KIA numbers. "The most reliable number, Sloan and the others said, might have been the 22 seen by the reconnaissance platoon, which was the first unit to reach the battlefield after the fight." (page 415)
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the convert templates can be made to use US spelling by adding the following code: "|sp=us" to the template, for instance "{{convert|30|km|sp=us}}". I have done this now.
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in the Battle section, there is a missing word: "with the intention of entering the enemy base camp from a slightly direction". A slightly what direction?
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currently the article is written using British/Australian English, however, given that the topic relates to the US, it would probably be best per
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This is a derogative term used by one side of the conflict. The term is used to refer to NVA and NLF units. This needs to be fixed. --
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to rework it to be compliant with US English (for instance, kilometres → kilometers, metres → meters, recognised → recognized, etc);
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I have undertaken a light copy edit of this article. I have the following comments and suggestions for further improvement:
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I have replaced the online sources with book references as per Wiki reference rules, which I wasn't aware of.
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Hi, I've struck the comments dealt with and responded to one that needs just a little bit more. Cheers,
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References check out, RS, no OR. However the ELs are used as references so should be removed as per
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would be correct "slightly different direction to the west". Is this what is intended here?;
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Note # 2 could be formatted to include publisher, author and accessdate information.
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That's right, I just didn't pay attention to my own words. I will have another look.
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battle (air and artillery), it provides some good insight.
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Just one minor point, the ELs. On hold for seven days.
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Reasonably well written, I made a few minor copy-edits
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