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Not really. Just that he was an experienced old soldier who dropped dead in June. One source (just one) mentions rumours that the
English poisoned him, but there were rumours of poisoning around most royal and near-royal deaths from 3,000 BC to about
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So that's two reasons why I duck it. I agree that it leaves a minor hole - but only because
Knowledge as an encyclopedia likes to pigeon hole things in neat categories, inventing them - or at least overstressing their importance - if necessary.
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I guess just one more thing, the first war of independence is mentioned in the body, but the second war of independence is only in the infobox. Is there any context that can be added to place this battle into the second war?
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