3207:— All arguments so far resting on the article being 'Colorado Balloon Incident' opposed to 'Colorado Balloon Hoax' are based on "legality of it being undetermined". That these people have somehow managed to claim the current title of 'Incident' during a locked article is a terrible problem. It is NOT required that Knowledge find the legality or illegality of a hoax, even where it can be determined, as whether or not it can be determined (especially in the title) as a hoax. The only thing that is to determine it here is SOURCING. As it is very, very well sourced that this was a hoax, the entire incident in question being a hoax, and NO argument against such an inclusion current exists or is sourced at all...why exactly is the title not changed? Even consensus should be in favour, as seeing from user comments as well, of hoax, so why has this problem even occured let alone not been fixed yet?
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first people who were alerted to the incident were the media, not emergency services. During the 9-1-1 call, we hear the mother say her son is in a flying saucer and we hear the father say that the balloon was powered by a million volts. And throughout this call, their "missing" son is in the attic of their home, not in the balloon. Later, we find out that both parents are actors and have been trying to promote their reality television show, and that prior to the event Heene created plans for a media hoax and Robert Thomas published the evidence and was interviewed by authorities. Add to this the fact that the balloon could not have launched with his son inside. Now, what evidence do we have pointing to this as something other than a hoax? I'm asking an honest question. If you have sources pointing to this as anything but a hoax, please provide them.
3227:- If (however improbable) a court eventually determines that this was nota hoax, then the Heens will be well within their rights to attempt to sue all those who have publically predetermined guilt for libel. There is no problem documenting where others have described this as a hoax (eg: the sheriff) but the policy prevents Knowledge doing so - for good, largely consensus developed reasons. If the title is changed, it will immediatly be changed back, per policy. In the meantime, there is a redirect in place - so what's the big deal? It will be changed as soon as the allegation of a hoax has a sourced, legal foundation. I think it was a hoax, you think it was a hoax, the sheriff thinks it was a hoax, virtually everyone thinks it was a hoax - the courts might yet find otherwise.--
3591:(restoring indent, and it's about time!) Viriditas, nobody is "hiding behind" policies, and that is a really shocking way of referring to editors who are not only trying to observe policies, but also trying to be fair to people who have not even been accused of a crime just yet. The Times article from the 19th is two days old. So what? Do you seriously think that the Times would say, "a hoax has been committed." That's an accusation of a crime at a time when criminal charges are likely. As for your question, it is not our job to determine the facts, or to ascertain if the parents are lying. The charges against the parents are just that, charges, no matter what our personal beliefs may be. You can rest assured that my personal beliefs on this are probably the same as yours.--
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kind of early version of a "script" exists and the authorities are probably going to use that in court. I am unaware if it says anything about the name of their son but it is something a writer would make note of during character development. Considering that Mayumi Heene was previously involved in a film-editing business in Los
Angeles and Richard Heene was writing his Science Detectives series on YouTube, and their entire family was involved in reality televesion production, it is not unlikely that they would be aware of this. When the media first reported that a young boy named Falcon was flying attached to the balloon, there was commentary on the ironic nature of the name, and it actually contributed to viewer interest.
5229:? "If Mayumi Heene made that confession — as alleged in a search warrant for the family's home — it may have been to keep her children from being taken away from her, or to spare them from having to testify against her husband, Richard Heene, legal experts said Monday." "The alleged statement may not be admissible in court, cautioned Karen Steinhauser, a former Denver prosecutor, if Heene wasn't warned of her rights to have a lawyer or not to speak — or if she was threatened with the loss of her children." Those are some pretty serious allegations facing the Sheriff's department. --
3002:"Balloon Boy incident" sounds really strange. I think there's enough information to simply call it "Balloon Boy", which does, after all, refer to Falcon Heene, the center of the dispute. I also don't think it was a coincidence that a boy named "Falcon" was chosen to be the Balloon Boy, allegedly hanging on for dear life at 8,000 feet in the air; This was scripted from the beginning. As a made-for-television event, this subject should get a proper title. That Knowledge is still treating it as a real "incident" is highly amusing.
3289:. We've been through a lot them before. The boy was never in the balloon and the balloon could never have carried the boy, and there is good evidence that the Heene family was trying to generate publicity for their reality television show. On Knowledge we write articles about what "various folk have said", so there's nothing different here. "Various folk" have said it's a hoax because there is no other explanation. If you have one or know of a good explanation for the event other than a hoax, I would like to hear it.
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repeatedly on this talk page recently—a news story reporting only that the sheriff's department has alleged that she confessed is not to be treated as conclusive proof that she was guilty, or even that she did in fact confess. It may not have been a legally valid confession under the circumstances, and she may have had other reasons for confessing. If she confessed. It's still just an allegation that she confessed, just as if the Heenes' lawyer alleged misconduct by the sheriff, it would just be allegations.
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the point, change the noun in my example to employees. If you're talking about
Microsoft employees, Microsoft is, by the criteria you use for Internet, an adjective modifying 'employees.' In this case, Microsoft still requires capitalization. I would actually contend that Internet is still used as a noun here, though it's disguised due to headline grammar. Whatever part of speech, it's still a proper name.
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are found guilty, we simply have to go with "incident" or some other nonjudgmental term. Don't forget that this article is linked on Google News every single time someone clicks there. We have an obligation to be fair. It is simply wrong to prejudge them, to prejudice the legal case and participate in the media circus that has already convicted them. Just because the media judged
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and still be a hoax). The legal implications of this hoax is not the main issue, the main issue was the media being fooled, which is not a legal matter. Like many other editors, I think this article should have been deleted, but if its kept, it should at least be named the Heene Hoax. It's only notable because it's a hoax, there was no "balloon incident" after all.
909:"The balloon drifted for 60 miles (97 km), passing through Adams County and Weld County, and then it landed 90 minutes later near Keenesburg, 12 miles (19 km) northeast of Denver International Airport. Planes were rerouted around the balloon's flight path, and Denver International Airport was briefly shut down." - This can go to the Incident section mentioned above.
4557:? It appears politically correct "legal" concerns (as if WP is going to influence a court of law in this instance) are hurting the quality of the encyclopedia, and frustrating potential contributors. If so many RS are calling it a hoax (they have the journalistic standards not us) then we shouldn't let BLP stop us from renaming. It appears time to
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conjecturing, and no one is interested in how certain you are on this matter. Really, this is not a debatable principle, even notwithstanding the fact that you are the sole advocate of your position. Please drop it, because you're not persuading anyone else by repeating yourself ad nauseum, and the underlying policy is not up for debate.
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694:"He also stated that, once "the high voltage timer" was switched on, the balloon "would emit one million volts every five minutes for one minute" in order to "move left and right — horizontal" " - Please check sourcing for this sentence; I don't thunk the information is properly cited. Also, please add a period at the end. --
5205:" Prosecutors said Tuesday they haven't decided whether to file charges against the parents accused of falsely reporting their son was in a runaway balloon, sparking a massive rescue attempt before the boy was found at the family's Fort Collins home. The father's attorney, David Lane, also announced Tuesday that
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between Thomas and Heene which point to the credibility of a hoax. Alderden mentioned "you've probably seen some of the e-mails and some of the things on the internet suggesting that there may be other conspirators" in reference to the story. Investigators have expressed a desire to interview Thomas.: -->
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Move was fine, guilty plea by
Richard Heene means we can officially call this a hoax in my view and that seems to be the clear consensus here. Also agree with the above that "Balloon boy" is the preferred capitalization. I would suggest there's also a rough consensus for that (plus it's hardly likely
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Not at all. I have the actual affidavit on my other computer and have read it in it's entirety. The document that all of those sources rely on is merely a search warrant. In it a deputy says he heard Mayumi say it was a hoax. That is not the same as her making a signed sworn statement that it was
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Not at all. I have the actual affidavit on my other computer and have read it in it's entirety. The document that all of those sources rely on is merely a search warrant. In it a deputy says he heard Mayumi say it was a hoax. That is not the same as her making a signed sworn statement that it was
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You're avoiding my questions above about content and hiding behind policy concerning legal terms. I will assume that you are doing this because you don't know enough about the topic. FYI... we do call it a hoax, and it is called a hoax in the current article. This is because some RS represent that
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Has a reliable source determined whether they were lying when they said they thought their son was on board? That's the same issue you've been arguing about, just phrased another way. They haven't changed their story from the beginning; many sources (including this article) report what they said at
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We are assuming something that nobody else is assuming? Why? The article needs to based on what reliable sources are assuming, not on what
Knowledge assumes. So, which source assumes that it was possible that the parents thought their son was on board when they made the 9-1-1 call from their home?
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This is ridiculous. It is not a matter of legality or illegality that defines it as a hoax. It is SOURCING. It is a hoax, it has been completely sourced as such. Come back when they declare it wasn't a hoax, and those comments are sourced, and you need to change the title from Hoax to
Incident again.
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No, on Thomas all sources cite Gawker, which is not a reliable source. However, in a sense the source is really Thomas, who wrote an article Gawker published. So the question is whether it's usable. This is complicated by the fact that Thomas' claims have been widely disseminated by the AP, Times and
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Now, one thing at a time. First of all, active editors should be keenly aware of the changing nature of this investigation, and always pay attention to the currency of the sources. The current article says that "Investigators have expressed a desire to interview Thomas" which is properly sourced to
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Sorry I made the move without seeing this comment here. I didn't realize any more discussion was needed, I thought the consensus was that we do the move once he pleads guilty. That being said, I think it's more than fair to move it now. We have a guilty plea, which I think is enough to consider this
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As both
Richard and Mayumi Heene have decided to plead guilty, can we now change the title to "Colorado Balloon Hoax". I can understand the reluctance to change it before because the Heenes are entitled to the presumption of innocence BUT as they have now pleaded guilty, that presumption is gone and
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The Heenes have publicly maintained that they believed that Falcon was on board the balloon. What are you asking for? Independent agreement that such a belief could have been reasonable (as though it's inconceivable that someone could sincerely hold an unreasonable belief)? We certainly know that
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He did not accuse anyone of a committing a crime when he said "the Heene family balloon drama was exposed as a hoax" or when he described the event as the "Heene family’s stunt". But, I've never used "The Lede" as a source. In any case, my personal beliefs have little to nothing to do with this or
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We do not have any source that it was not a hoax. Most sources seem to agree it was a hoax. Hence it should be called a hoax. As pointed out above, it's not a matter of legality or illegality whether it was a hoax (a hoax could by definition be perfectly legal (or rather: have no legal implications)
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It is a hoax, but I think for the time being we should keep the existing name. In a few days it will be clear what the media are calling it, and we should call it by that name. If the media hasn't coalesced around a name within a few days, then wait longer until they do. Who knows, they may settle
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Article reads: "Richard inspects the basket, then his family count down in unison "three, two, one" before releasing the cord. Apparently believing the balloon to be tethered a few feet from the ground, the family started screaming in distress when it floats off into the sky. Richard Heene, who can
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Hi, because the talk page is getting a bit long (~163KiB) I've added automatic archiving with a time of ~3.5 days (88 hours). As this remains a fairly active article it's unlikely any discussion which hasn't been addressed since then remains an active issue. As it dies down, it will probably be wise
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Well my concern here is that several times throughout the affidavit an effort was made to hide their address. It looks like a mistake was made in not completely hiding it on the last page and I am concerned that the Heenes might file civil cases against the news organizations and maybe us. The one
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If you want to change the order that would be fine. But I maintain that
Internet is capitalized whenever talking about the Internet, rather than smaller internets. I think my examples do hold up - not in sentences maybe - because headlines don't really need to follow rules of grammar. But to make
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I think in this case it would be like saying, "CNN and
Microsoft reaction." They're used as descriptors, but it's not a new form of the word to make an adjective. It's just a proper noun used as a modifier, but in a way not a true adjective. Or if you will, it's used as a possessive. It could be
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In this specific case, the article is about a historic event. If the article were about a landmark or a celebrity (even a reclusive celebrity) then we can always hold out hope that someone will take a picture and release it under creative commons or similar license. For a historical event we can't
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I'd prefer to wait until tomorrow morning, after they actually plead guilty. The statement that they will do so was issued by
Richard Heene's lawyer, as the media attributed it, not apparently a lawyer for both parents (why, I don't know). So he doesn't have true authority to speak for the mother
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While it seems odd to me that this article would approach GA so quickly, it would also help to demonstate that current event articles are NO BAD THING and can indeed be encyclopaedic. I'm a bit dissapointed that many editors have not got stuck in sorting out the issues identified in the GA review.
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I'm not suggesting anything of the kind and I'm not the slightest bit interested in playing legal word games with you, so give it a rest. I'm here to see a well-written, well-rounded article develop here. That means covering all relevant and important aspects of the story, including the polygraph
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That's an old article from the 19th, hardly recent given the changes in this case. The authorities allege that it is a hoax and the media has reported these allegations. My question concerns a comment made by User:Baseball Bugs who says that "we have to assume that it's possible they thought their
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Nobody else is assuming? The parents have not admitted to carrying out a hoax. We can't call this a hoax because the media says so. This is not only a BLP issue, but one of fundamental fairness and neutrality. "Hoax" means the parents are guilty of crimes. Until that point is reached, or until they
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it became untethered and launched." The "when" confuses the sequence of events: one possible reading is that the act of climbing into the balloon happened at the time of ("when") the balloon become untethered and launched. A more accurate statement would be something like " ... reportedly climbed
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which says, "Investigators have said they want to question Robert Thomas, an associate of Mr Heene's in Denver, who provided the website Gawker.com with e-mail exchanges from several months ago in which he and Mr Heene talk about a possible balloon stunt to promote a proposed reality TV show." And
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on "Colorado balloon hoax". The latter is simply less common in the media and a far less likely search term on
Knowledge or on search engines. 5 years from now many will have forgotten that this event took place in Colorado, but the phrase "Balloon Boy" will bring back memories of the incident for
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I could make some low-fat cookies. The problem with fixing some of the GA issues is that because of the type of tabloid journalism, some of the sources that supported the material at the time has been changed and no longer supports it. I fixed a couple citation issues that were simple to fix. I
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The mother has now admitted the whole thing was a hoax, so I support a move to something with "hoax" in the name. As for those trying to use a legal argument, the only question is if they will be found guilty of any crimes, you can commit a hoax without being guilty of any crime (like those guys a
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The authorities are calling it a hoax, not the media. The media has reported what the authorities said. We generally don't name articles after what the participants admit or don't admit or what the media thinks. In any case, my question stands. What explanation is there other than a hoax? The
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No, I'm not saying that at all and there is nothing "alarming" in my comments. The authorities maintain that this "incident" was a hoax, and it is commonly referred to as "Balloon Boy". Saying it is an "incident" is redundant and unnecessary. As for the script, Robert Thomas maintains that some
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Are you saying that when he was born his parents named him "Falcon" in anticipation of the balloon hoax they would perpetrate six years later? I don't think "Balloon Boy" is enough for a title. "Balloon boy incident" (note capitalization) would be OK. But as you can see, opinions differ - which is
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doesn't neccessarily apply. The coverage was certainly not routine. And as far as the question of "Who will care in 100 years?", new medical research suggests that our generation will live 100+, so in 100 years, Falcon Heene is going to logon to Knowledge and point to this article and say to his
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I don't see a problem with this. Indisputably reliable sources refer to the Gawker article as presenting an interview with Robert Thomas, making it a relevant and notable fact. The Gawker article is a reliable source for its own content, as long as it's not used as verification of the assertions
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It is informal, which is why I haven't come out arguing against "Colorado balloon incident". It works for now. But, I think a decision needs to be made about what proposed titles might be acceptable and come into play depending on future evidence (and what evidence will be allowed to change the
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where the media are giving to much attention to a relatively unimportant subject. On the other side man could argue that the extensive amount of news coverage is exactly the reason that made this more or less notable, if only because this may end up as a comparison for other hoaxes (Regardless of
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I see the point. I think when I juggled stuff out of 'background' I was thinking of Falcon being aledged to be thought missing as the starting point for the incident, but it would be quite reasonable to start with the balloon launch. The retrospective nature of the video does make the tenses and
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The text I quoted appears in the first paragraph of the "Incident" section and should appear directly before the second paragraph in that section. Currently, it starts from the moment the parents realized Falcon was missing, but then skips back in time to previous events, and then skips forward
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I agree with you that the text should not be inaccurate. If it is more accurate to say that A) Thomas has been interviewed than that B) investigators would like to interview him, then A is obviously preferable to B. Admittedly, I have not looked into the accuracy of A vs. B (it's a fair distance
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what, today? There are serious BLP concerns in claiming this was objectively a hoax until that has been admitted to or tried in court, because that claim brings with it the accusation against the parents of dishonesty, exploitation of their child, and intentional criminal misconduct. The hoax
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I haven't found anything about their "story", but I'm still looking. I don't think you rephrased my question at all. Several days ago, the Heenes were going to make a major announcement at a news conference, but that was canceled and they were represented by legal counsel soon after. As for
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You're completely missing (or avoiding) the point. Please re-read my above last statement, because that's where the issue begins and ends. It isn't about whether we can prove alternate hypothesis (but for that, I'm sure we'll hear a defense if/when this goes to trial). I'm not interested in
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A man named Robert Thomas who worked previously with Heene on developing a proposal for a television series sold a story to Gawker.com telling of blind ambition on Heene's part and how the two had been planning a publicity stunt involving a UFO shaped weather balloon. The story includes emails
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she wasn't informed of her rights; that's just an uncontroversial statement of U.S. law. No one has actually alleged the sheriff's department didn't inform her of her rights, or that she was threatened with the loss of her children. But the story does underscore the point that has been made
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At least where accusations are made that carry criminal consequences, Knowledge articles should do nothing more than report on what those accusations are until there is an admission or a conviction. Knowledge articles should not treat those accusations as objective fact until there is such a
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So's Madonna, and she gets an article - no, seriously - whether they WANT or DO NOT WANT a Wiki article, should carry no weight (NIL, ZADA, ZLICH, ZERO, NADA, NUFFINK) here - Their desires carry no weight, if they GET attention, it is not for Knowledge to evaluate whether they deserved it, or
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This might seem unnecessarily pedantic to a lot of people, but a mere allegation of a confession is not legally conclusive of guilt or conviction. Even a confession alleged is still just an allegation of a confession. And we're just talking about a supporting affidavit for a search warrant
3738:(no matter how logical and accurate), no response is going to satisfy you. Based upon the available information, I believe that the Heenes perpetrated a hoax, but we mustn't state this as a fact in our article. Our role is to document that numerous persons have arrived at such a conclusion,
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I also would have liked to have seen more than half a day or argument given, but let's more on. However, it should be Balloon boy, not Balloon Boy. This is a Knowledge style issue. Also the past tense of plead, is pleaded, not plead. I've fixed the verb problem, but not the title problem.
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Don't be sorry. I truly do understand Knowledge's role, but you've avoided my questions about content above and turned them into a discussion about me. To recap and get back on track (the purpose of this talk page is to discuss how to improve the article) Baseball Bugs said above,
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Or you could invoke the Common Names rule and call it "Balloon boy incident", and then it's covered either way. In fact, no one coming to wikipedia is likely to look for it under "Colorado"-anything. "Balloon boy", they might look for. Or the kid's name, which is already a redirect.
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All of that being true, why should we not include information of these allegations, making it clear that they are simply allegations? I mean, the allegation of a hoax is here, though not in the title. How do we be fair to all concerend? I would not want to do injustice to the
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It would fail as NPOV violation. Obviously, since I dispute the notion that it's a "media circus" in any case, and I'm sure others would also. And the first entry? Gimme a break. Lindbergh's flight across the Atlantic was a media circus. As was the trial of his child's kidnapper.
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Internet in this context is an adjective, not a noun - trying to think of another Proper Noun that also is used as an adjective... Regardless, in the title 'attention' is the noun, 'media' and 'internet' are adjectives, and so internet should NOT be capatalised (pretty sure, not
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and only time I asked for a record of a crime from the cops (neighboors blew up fire crackers in their apartment), the cops had to black out all personally identifiable information before they could give it to me. I am not a legal expert, but I think we should avoid using it.--
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I don't have a problem with the warrant being linked to as an external link. It's on-point, it's relatively easily available anyway. I'm not concerned with the address being it it although, all things being equal, if a redacted version were online, I'd prefer linking to that.
1068:"The charges had not yet been released to the public. The sheriff confirmed that making a false report to authorities would result in Class 3 misdemeanor charges and expressed that this charge "hardly seems serious enough given the circumstances." - Not supported by source. --
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I think (I don't know) that your examples all fail gramatically. "CNN and Microsoft reaction" is not good english, it'd have to be "CNN's and Microsoft's reaction" - why? because they're strictly nouns, not adjectives. Likewise "The Media's and the Internet's reaction" (or
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The issue has not yet settled down, and I see no pressing need to sort out a BLP concern. It's too early. When the topic dies down and more information is released, the problem will solve itself. "Balloon Boy" is the most common term, so for now, it should probably read
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as I've said many times, this is covered by most RS already, so there's no problem with the material. If you don't like the Gawker reference appearing there, simply move the note to the BBC ref and add "For the original Gawker article, see http..." This is a non-issue.
1026:"When the balloon finally landed, having been tracked by helicopters, the boy was not found inside the balloon. Officials expressed concern that he may have fallen out during flight. Although it was reported that it did not appear breached" - Not supported by source. --
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What's the hurry? Why not report the facts that we know and can verify, and leave off calling it a hoax (which is accusing the father of a crime) until there's a finding? BLP aside, what's wrong with being prudent and limiting the article content to what's known?
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I don't feel particularly strongly one way or the other (on "Balloon Boy" versus "Balloon boy"). I guess I always thought of Balloon Boy as a proper noun, lol, since it's a nickname. But someone else can move it if the consensus is against me on that one... —
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That has already been discussed at some length, above. Keep in mind she's not saying this to the media, it's a report from the authorities. Until all the questions are answered, including the legal questions, we have to go with what reliable sources say.
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Yes, it's a hoax. I think most people recognize that. That is not the point. Until the exact key salient nature of the incident is determined, let's keep the title broad. This may be hoax, or crime, or something that we don't know yet. At a later time,
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Looking into this, the first part is sourced to AP, but it only says, "The Heenes twice appeared on ABC's "Wife Swap," including a March episode in which they discuss their approach to parenting and talk about their belief that they're the descendants of
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The search warrant and its supporting documents are the "court documents" the stories are referring to. Search warrants contain allegations by law enforcement that there is probable cause that evidence of a crime would be found at a given location.
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title). This approach has actually worked before. In other words, we have a requested move-like discussion, but leave it open-ended. It's not time to change the article title, but that time may come in the future, sooner or later, I can't say.
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It wouldn't. The article title is just fine the way it is. No reliable source is declaring "it's a hoax". They are saying "authories say such-and-such", which is what wikipedia is doing, and should be doing. There is no "IAR" justification here.
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whether they were lying, the 9-1-1 transcripts were published. In them, the mother says her son was taken away in a flying saucer and the father says that the balloon "emits a million volts on the outer skin". Are either of these things true?
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Titling it an "incident" does not mean it wasn't also a hoax. A hoax is a type of incident. It can be left as incident, even after it eventually may be determined to also be a hoax, prank, crime, whatever, perhaps adding 2009 to the title:
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Particularly given WP:BLP concerns regarding individuals facing possible criminal prosecution, the article's subject will not be identified as a hoax until that is conclusively established by reliable sources, not just reported allegations.
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Particularly given WP:BLP concerns regarding individuals facing possible criminal prosecution, the article's subject will not be identified as a hoax until that is conclusively established by reliable sources, not just reported allegations.
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Particularly given WP:BLP concerns regarding individuals facing possible criminal prosecution, the article's subject will not be identified as a hoax until that is conclusively established by reliable sources, not just reported allegations.
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Particularly given WP:BLP concerns regarding individuals facing possible criminal prosecution, the article's subject will not be identified as a hoax until that is conclusively established by reliable sources, not just reported allegations.
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Particularly given WP:BLP concerns regarding individuals facing possible criminal prosecution, the article's subject will not be identified as a hoax until that is conclusively established by reliable sources, not just reported allegations.
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Particularly given WP:BLP concerns regarding individuals facing possible criminal prosecution, the article's subject will not be identified as a hoax until that is conclusively established by reliable sources, not just reported allegations.
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Particularly given WP:BLP concerns regarding individuals facing possible criminal prosecution, the article's subject will not be identified as a hoax until that is conclusively established by reliable sources, not just reported allegations.
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Exactly. We have a million and one school bands, people, love relations, companies and an infinite amount of other topics that want to have an article about themselves, and we don't give them those. At the same time we have an article about
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I understand what is appropriate here, and I haven't received any responses to my questions about content. You may continue to discuss policy all you like, but my questions concern content. I know what our role is and how to fulfill it.
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It's very confusing as it is written. This should precede the second paragraph, where the family starts making calls to track the balloon. Instead, it is followed by a description of the event that already occurred, in flashback style.
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sourced to the Gawker site. If you had bothered to do the slightest bit of research on this subject as I've repeatedly asked you to do on your talk page (and you admit above that you still haven't done it) you would find this information
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Have the Heenes responded to the accusation of a hoax? I'm assuming they have, but I haven't found a source or transcript that goes into this in any detail. I did find one where the father said, "No, it's not a hoax" but that's it.
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Would it not be best to call it "Colorado alleged balloon hoax" and then change it to "Colorado balloon hoax" once Richard Heene is convicted ? All the news stories coming out paint a pretty damning picture of him. Just a suggestion.
4295:(CNN) -- The wife of a Colorado father at the center of the "balloon boy" saga told authorities that the giant helium balloon was specifically created for a hoax to draw media attention, according to court documents released Friday.
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I think I agree with you on moving now, but I wanted to see if there were any counterarguments I hadn't thought of. Also, what about the capitalization? I think most news outlets refer to it as "Balloon boy," not "Balloon Boy."
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before they officially pleaded guilty, I'd say perhaps we should go ahead and change the title. But since it's only one day, I don't see the harm in waiting. Besides, there's always the chance there will be some 13th hour decision
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As long as wikipedia sticks to its own policy of just using the reliable sources to build the encyclopedia, then there should not be any problem with the title if it is changed to "Hoax". Again, just as long as the sources confirm
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they recently took (not admissible as evidence so don't try going there, this is an encyclopedia article not a court of law) the results which may be released next week. It also means covering their response to the allegations.
464:, Thomas has been interviewed by the police, the media, and his attorney has released statements in the last 24 hours. Gawker has nothing to do with this and is not being used as a source. Does anyone do research around here?
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as I stated above a couple of days ago. I don't think some of you are actually reading the sources, not just the news report, but the police report filed by the Sherriff's Office that labeled it in the second paragraph as a
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about how to refer to Obama. Is he African American or is he Bi-racial? It was determined in that case that the article would rely on the sources who refer that him as AA. I hope that we will not practice a double standard
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We do not have a source that it is a hoax. We have a source that the authorities said teh wife said it's a hoax. Every legitimate news source is reporting it that way: that there is an affidavit with the wife's statement.
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to undo capitalization of Internet. I am unable to undo due to article protection (not confirmed yet), unless the heading refers to attention among several internets and not "THE Internet," it should be capitalized. See
1054:"Margie Martinez of the Weld County Sheriff's Office said that the door was unlocked in the balloon. A sheriff deputy reported seeing something fall from the balloon near Platteville, Colorado" - Not supported by source--
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I don't see any question that has to do with "representing the Heene perspective", nor do I understand what you're driving at. You CANNOT say "it's a hoax". PERIOD. That's a BLP violation, and BLP trumps RS.
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I agree wholeheartedly. They've confessed; it's a hoax. I propose that a Wiki Admin change the title, to discourage the inevitable edit war and wikilawyering which always follows bold decisions like these.
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DENVER (Reuters) - The mother of a Colorado boy thought to be aboard a homemade helium balloon has admitted to investigators the whole thing was a hoax, according to a court document made public on Friday.
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I think as postdlf and Bigtimepeace point out, more people will recognize "Balloon boy hoax" than "Colorado balloon hoax"; plus it is more widely referred to as "balloon boy" than anything else, so as per
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This is a widely-available website, and not everyone knows where all the U.S. states are by heart. However, maybe someone needs to draw a little bitty silver dot on the map, to show where the balloon was.
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1,714 News), followed by "Balloon boy incident" then "Colorado balloon hoax", and finally "Colorado balloon incident". It seems the dust has settled, and Knowledge has chosen the worst choice of the four.
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another redirect might be helpful, since MSNBC article said: the Larimer County Sheriff’s Department is close to charging Richard and wife Mayumi Heene in what is being billed as the “Great Balloon Hoax.”
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Unfortunately, there are simply too many sourcing issues with this article, and stability remains a huge concern. I am failing the article for now; feel free to nominate again when sourcing is cleaned up.
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as well. Nitpicking, perhaps, but we lose nothing by waiting one more day. Once their plea occurs, I think "Balloon boy hoax" is the most apt title for the article, given how most sources refer to it.
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beside my point), but I'll take your word for it. The point is, now, that the bulk of the paragraph (it used to be around half, now it's the entire third and fourth sentences) is sourced to an unreliable
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This is the second draft, the accurate draft of history, news papers are merely the first sloppy inaccurate guess at what's happening by comparison. Because we have to be, WP can't afford to screw this
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This is the second draft, the accurate draft of history, news papers are merely the first sloppy inaccurate guess at what's happening by comparison. Because we have to be, WP can't afford to screw this
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It's got everything to do with it. See my reply above. You said we should assume the Heene's perspective is valid. Does the current article represent their POV, or does it favor the hoax allegations?
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I'm not hiding behind policy, I'm obeying it, and you have to also. There has been no legal determination that a crime has been committed (the alleged hoax), therefore wikipedia cannot call it a hoax,
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It's not confusing at all. As written, it says in the second line of the article that the family thought the kid was on the balloon. It is not necessary to go into so much detail in the lead section.--
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The entire paragraph beginning with "Larimer County sheriff's officials consulted a Colorado State University physics professor..." can go to the "Hoax allegations and criminal investigation" section--
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any other discussion. I've asked several questions about the content above that have not been answered. I would like to represent the Heene perspective in the article. Can you find sources for it?
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Some inconsistent use of tense here: "inspects" and "count down" (present tense), versus "started screaming" (past tense). Shouldn't this be "starts screaming"? I'll leave this to someone else.
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Which I agree to becuase it jumps forth and back to what was said prior. Anyways, Vir, feel free to edit it correctly and state the reason in the edit summary, I'm sure it won't be a big bother. --
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No idea what you're talking about, but I'm not talking about the lead section. I'm talking about the "Incident" section which is poorly written, out of order chronologically, and very confusing.
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That's correct. I'm really surprised we're having a conversation about something so cut and dried. All reliable sources likewise are reporting it that way. Here is a recent New York Times article.
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Let's try to keep it short and sweet: Knowledge's BLP rules prohibit calling this a hoax because it means they have likely committed a criminal act, and we have no business saying such a thing. ←
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son was on board". Has this possibility been covered by any RS on the subject? I would like to write about this subject from the Heene's perspective. Where can I find sources on the subject?
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The father has plead guilty. Pros and cons of moving the article now to "Balloon boy hoax", or waiting until the mother pleads guilty as well? And "Balloon boy hoax" or "Balloon Boy hoax"?
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The term "Balloon Boy" has become inclusive of the overall incident in popular usage. Following it with "incident" is redundant. The term, "Balloon Boy" describes the incident and the boy.
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describing a sworn affidavit by the police, filed with the court, stating the mother admitted that te story was fabricated, and knowing Falcon was at home, seems to me to more than fulfill
3271:, which is policy, so if you can show, verifiably, that it WAS a hoax, the title can be changed. At the moment, all that can be verified, is that various folk have said it's a hoax. --
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He didn't specify which section, and I still don't see anything wrong with "Incident." If he wants to edit for clarity and doesn't make it worse, then I don't see the problem, however.--
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I'm not sure I know what you mean. What allegations do you want to include in the article that aren't already covered in it? If you mean the alleged privacy violations mentioned in
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Do we really need a picture of it? It just seems kind of absurd to have a picture of where colorado is loacated in the united states. They could go to the page for Colorado for that.
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to weigh evidence or pass judgement (including the judgement that the aforementioned sources are qualified to definitively establish guilt, effectively bypassing a court of law). —
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Interesting - not sure I agree that internet here isn't an adjective, but I see your point re eg employees. I reversed the title regardless to avoid prolonged or repeating debate.--
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resolution. This isn't a hard principle to understand, and nothing is lost by this restraint because as long as there is clear attribution, the accusations will get fully covered—
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Unlike CNN or NBC/Universal, Wikimedia might just get sued out of existence if we report irresponsibly. That is why we use an abundance of caution and scrupulously follow WP:BLP.
4027:(which I dodn't previously know about). Someone who thinks they can make a solid case should file it over there, and then we can all have our say in a (more) controlled manner.--
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It probably already has an illustration. Knowledge has highly restrictive rules on illustrations, and someone decided for this article that something was better than nothing. ←
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stated as "Media's and Internet's reaction," or "Reaction of the media and of the Internet," without changing the meaning. I think in this case it retains proper noun status.
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I'm fully aware of the policies. But, unlike others, I don't hide behind them. Any chance you can answer my questions above? I'm trying to expand and improve the article.
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is not much different than what we are doing now except there would be a tag at the top of this discussion. It would still be conducted on this page exactly the same way.--
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Yes that's what I'm talking about. The allegations against the sheriff made by both of the Heene's Lawyers. I will reflect on what that should look like, then add it. --
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The mother of Falcon Heene Said they knew Falcon was in the residence the whole time, and they had been planning this as a publicity stunt for aproximately three weeks.
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So just "Balloon boy", that's it? Not Balloon boy hoax, balloon boy incident? An RM would help determine how to sort out the BLP concern from the primary name concern. –
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If they wanted to know where Colorado is, they could click the blue link and find out. The article on the Boston Massacre doesn't have a map to show where Boston is...
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Legal proceedings don't get resolved overnight. This story requires some patience to develop, and we shouldn't jump at every new story as if it confirms everything.
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is the preferred title, though probably we should informally poll people here to make sure others agree. A Google News search on "Balloon Boy hoax" reveals many more
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The title is definitely going to change, but I don't think it is a good idea to keep moving it around. Let's wait for the dust to settle and then decide on a title.
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to be controversial) so I'll go ahead and do that move right now. Further discussion is obviously welcome but for the moment the title issues seem to be resolved. --
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expect someone to build a time machine and go back and photograph the event. For that reason, we have more latitude for historical events than certain other topics.
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No, I haven't. Read up a bit. I've been talking about this for some time and I've been replying to Baseball Bugs "shifting of gears", if you want to call it that.
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requirements. So I'm changing my stance - I think it's now time to change the title following a verifyable admission of it being a hoax by one of the parents.--
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Gawker most certainly is being used as a source. Go look for yourself, it is currently source 47. If we can get stronger ones in here, then by all means do so.
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a hoax. The mother has been cooperating with police and plans to plead guilty; that wouldn't be enough for me if Richard hadn't already pleaded, but he has. —
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contained within. "Thomas claimed in the article that he helped the Heenes plan the hoax" (good) versus "Thomas helped the Heenes plan the hoax" (not good).
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On the contrary, no reliable source says "it was a hoax". The sources say, "so-and-so says it was a hoax". Which is right in line with wikipedia's approach. ←
627:"...the producer of Wife Swap said that a show involving the Heenes had been in development, but that the deal was now off" - When was the deal called off?--
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What reliable sources are conclusively and objectively describing it as a hoax, rather than just reporting on the allegations law enforcement is making?
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Those aren't even allegations; it's just speculation by the "legal experts" quoted in that MSNBC story. Of course her confession may not be admissible
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Just "Balloon Boy" is misleading as the article is about the whole incident. I would say "Balloon boy incident" for now would be a good middle ground. –
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Johnny, read clearly next time. Vir said the paragraph needed to be put in the second paragraph as oppose to it being in the first paragraph. Lord. --
373:(I'll take a peek at the refs if others will have a look at the policy), then one will realize that, Houston, we have a problem. The Gawker.com piece
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The AfD was no consensus. I think we're giving it a few more weeks/months to pan out a little more and become stable before having another AfD.--
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The only thing remotely confusing was "previous day." I changed that to "ill-fated." I just don't see a problem otherwise, but maybe others do. --
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Look at it this way.... what's a search warrant going to say. "Mr Judge, we don't think they did anything but we'd like to check to make sure"?
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3910:- It doesn't matter if the court will rule it a hoax or not becuase that legal document is going to be used when they go to court anyways. --
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Yes, we understand: the authorities say the mother said it's a hoax. Everyone acknowledges that. Do you have anything new to add?
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I couldn't find the info anywhere in the CNN interview transcript. (the 911 call is fine) Could you please tell me where it is?--
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How does that address my question about representing the Heene perspective in this article?
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this to improve the quality of the encyclopedia as a temporary measure? –
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to be guilty didn't make it a fact, and it turns out he was innocent.--
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accurately reflects the subject's nature and the article's scope, with
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It's still confusing. When I copy edit, I try to read an article with
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As a Google search will reveal, "Balloon boy hoax" has the most hits (
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This article is about an incident that some have alleged is a hoax.
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this all along anyways, so why would not having one be considored? --
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plan to take on Edge's comments as a project when I find the time.--
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I'm also not overly used to working within BLP issues, but multiple
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few years ago who produced the "corpse" of bigfoot in a freezer).
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a news service. LOL, indeed, my anonymous friend. LOL, indeed.
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No point. The sheriff called it a hoax, it's blatantly obvious. --
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now there is now no legal barrier to us changing the title.
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Yeah, a suggestion I made days ago to move the title to
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either right? Contary to the fact that something called
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status? I already provided a list of things to do on
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
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Authorities say that Mayumi Heene says it was a Hoax
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the authorities believed the claim for some time. —
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Ref 30 is only a link. Please add full citation. --
5539:Balloon boy in the title is better than Colorado.
2029:grandkids "See, it was awesome!" (I'm kidding).--
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1402:I think we'd better open a vote on it. Thanks. --
5202:According to this story by the associated press
4756:for Balloon boy hoax? I am kidding of course.--
2715:And? This title sounds fitting and I like it. --
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5394:I agree with Postdlf. If we had to wait like a
4909:Google news searches spit out more results for
2893:P.S. that's 122 to 1. Two orders of magnitude.
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5857:"Americas | Balloon family 'ready for arrest'"
5824:"Americas | Balloon family 'ready for arrest'"
4679:We don't put "quote marks" in article titles.
2583:It's not a hoax until the courts say it is. --
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3524:. What part of that do you not understand? ←
1841:What kind of question is that? Obviously. --
1144:Talk:Colorado balloon incident/GA1/Task List
958:Yes, I just saw it in one of the sources. --
5586:it makes sense to call its entry that... —
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3285:Jaymax, this incident is classified as a
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2002:arguing that this subject is only a new
5843:The Robert Thomas Interview on Gawker:
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3326:they thought their son was on board. ←
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2812:I'm thinking that it should be called
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2111:Article titling: "hoax" or "incident"
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3985:Yep, the title should be changed to
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591:Hello. I will review this article.
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4504:Move – RS and IAR vs. BLP concerns
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1082:Refs 48 and 50 can be combined. --
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4813:TParis00ap has given you a
4657:makes me think renaming to
3736:self-formulated conclusions
226:event and authorities have
5905:
4593:Perhaps you should reread
3631:do you not understand??? ←
4752:Maybe it's time to apply
4083:The Colorado Balloon Hoax
3903:The Colorado Balloon Hoax
3205:The Colorado Balloon Hoax
3201:Colorado balloon incident
3082:Colorado balloon incident
3017:why I suggested a formal
2566:The Colorado Balloon Hoax
2184:Colorado balloon incident
2165:Colorado balloon incident
863:It's from the wikilinked
275:. You don't even need to
259:be bold in updating pages
208:Absolutely, IMO. Thanks!
5880:. Gawker.com. 2009-10-17
5328:Time to change the title
5034:Please do not modify it.
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641:I found this on flickr:
369:. If one actually reads
4876:Also, I'm on a diet. --
4661:would satisfy concerns
4611:I don't understand how
4454:the news organizations.
4134:the news organizations.
1149:Internet is capitalized
235:than what replaced it.
5478:Also just a note that
5104:Kind of similar to a "
5044:Media circus category?
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18:Talk:Balloon boy hoax
4699:I see we generally "
3080:be used. The title
3078:Balloon Boy incident
2969:Balloon Boy incident
2814:Balloon boy incident
2729:No. BLP violation. ←
1590:Inclusion of warrant
1303:bio, which is found
279:(although there are
2649:Knowledge is not a
1938:manufactured it. --
342:interviewed Thomas.
5541:Suomi Finland 2009
4911:Balloon boy 'hoax'
4817:! Cookies promote
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4659:Balloon boy 'hoax'
4653:Point taken. Then
4452:went on to sue all
4132:went on to sue all
2870:1,710,000 regular,
2098:Karl gregory jones
2086:Tense inconsistent
559:Karl gregory jones
264:how to edit a page
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2182:Agreed, leave at
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4832:subst:munch
4081:Per above,
3464:the time.
3086:Balloon Boy
2973:Balloon Boy
2937:Balloon boy
2160:accusation,
2045:—Preceding
1354:beforehand.
1226:attention).
753:—Preceding
580:transcluded
427:, from the
379:stand-alone
322:survivalist
113:principles.
36:This is an
5884:2009-10-19
5863:2009-10-21
5859:. BBC News
5830:2009-10-21
5826:. BBC News
5569:JohnnyB256
5436:JohnnyB256
5285:this story
5268:sheriff.--
4971:Resolved.
4897:TParis00ap
4840:TParis00ap
4758:TParis00ap
4754:WP:ILIKEIT
4528:Resolved.
4280:TParis00ap
4240:TParis00ap
4211:Resolved.
4187:Confession
4046:TParis00ap
3953:JohnnyB256
3908:Stunt/Hoax
3864:JohnnyB256
3798:David Levy
3769:David Levy
3744:David Levy
3712:David Levy
3688:David Levy
3664:David Levy
3593:JohnnyB256
3436:JohnnyB256
3361:JohnnyB256
3287:media hoax
3263:, whereas
3177:Resolved.
3090:David Levy
3055:David Levy
2819:260 times,
2788:Resolved.
2633:Hoax/Stunt
2541:Resolved.
2303:TParis00ap
2203:David Levy
2135:Resolved.
2031:TParis00ap
2026:WP:NOTNEWS
1996:WP:NOTNEWS
1892:TParis00ap
1769:WP:SEEALSO
1726:TParis00ap
1635:TParis00ap
1529:JohnnyB256
1479:JohnnyB256
1446:JohnnyB256
1418:JohnnyB256
1348:Family POV
1178:certain)--
1112:TParis00ap
1010:TParis00ap
448:JohnnyB256
425:everywhere
371:WP:SELFPUB
363:WP:SELFPUB
314:David Icke
160:WP:SELFPUB
96:JohnnyB256
5584:WP:NAMING
4784:Jojhutton
4599:Jojhutton
3878:Viriditas
3842:Viriditas
3807:Viriditas
3783:Viriditas
3755:Viriditas
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3612:Viriditas
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3481:Viriditas
3451:Viriditas
3405:Viriditas
3376:Viriditas
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3291:Viriditas
3261:WP:POLICY
3244:Jojhutton
3100:Viriditas
3064:Viriditas
3037:Viriditas
3004:Viriditas
2977:Viriditas
2941:Viriditas
2904:reasoning
2898:Abductive
2884:reasoning
2878:Abductive
2856:Viriditas
2844:reasoning
2838:Abductive
2823:14 times.
2619:Jojhutton
2461:Urban XII
1808:Nil Einne
1793:Nil Einne
1786:Archiving
1773:Viriditas
1574:Viriditas
1465:Viriditas
1432:Viriditas
1390:Viriditas
1361:Viriditas
1332:Viriditas
1318:Viriditas
1301:Wife Swap
1249:Danthe4th
1213:Danthe4th
1199:Danthe4th
1164:Danthe4th
1155:this edit
572:GA Review
497:Viriditas
466:Viriditas
433:Viriditas
348:Viriditas
237:Viriditas
82:Archive 5
77:Archive 4
72:Archive 3
66:Archive 2
60:Archive 1
5769:contribs
5494:contribs
5337:Tovojolo
5132:Colorado
4998:unsigned
4819:WikiLove
3324:possible
2971:or just
2655:WikiNews
2517:Re: Move
2364:contribs
2336:CapnZapp
2230:Tovojolo
2047:unsigned
2015:Excirial
2000:WP:UNDUE
1296:aliens."
767:contribs
755:unsigned
233:accurate
111:fair use
5786:carrots
5685:postdlf
5635:postdlf
5555:Hfarmer
5379:postdlf
5308:Hfarmer
5291:postdlf
5270:Hfarmer
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5231:Hfarmer
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5184:carrots
5157:carrots
5111:postdlf
5096:carrots
5078:Postdlf
5068:carrots
5022:carrots
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4782:fact.--
4744:carrots
4726:Postdlf
4705:why not
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4585:carrots
4535:postdlf
4472:Hfarmer
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3498:carrots
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3310:Postdlf
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2827:120,000
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2697:said --
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2486:carrots
2353:davidwr
2321:carrots
2288:carrots
2252:carrots
2217:carrots
2169:Postdlf
2142:postdlf
1909:carrots
1870:obvious
1860:carrots
1682:WP:HARM
1621:Postdlf
1373:Why? --
596:WP:GACR
512:Postdlf
460:Sigh.
399:stretch
330:YouTube
269:sandbox
228:already
138:Lampman
127:Johntex
39:archive
5728:Hunter
5711:Crunch
5656:Hunter
5590:Hunter
5510:Hunter
5506:... —
5458:search
5407:Hunter
5357:abjotu
4878:Jaymax
4815:cookie
4708:ignore
4703:" but
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2699:Jaymax
2386:Crunch
2368:e-mail
2270:Crunch
1940:Jaymax
1874:wanted
1868:Nope,
1556:Jaymax
1313:, and
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1234:Jaymax
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809:Jaymax
759:Jaymax
716:Jaymax
395:that's
387:solely
375:cannot
277:log in
177:fairly
164:"note"
5461:most.
5396:month
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5050:Rajah
4915:Pecoc
4862:Edge3
4834:}}!
4712:Pecoc
4683:Jamie
4667:Pecoc
4621:Pecoc
4576:Read
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4470:up.--
4319:WP:RS
4150:up.--
4071:Spyke
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2831:5,180
2693:What
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2585:Edge3
2332:Agree
1822:Undue
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821:Yes--
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615:Edge3
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582:from
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416:Again
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4860:. --
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4655:this
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4567:talk
4561:. –
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1107:Done
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1005:Done
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950:talk
941:Done
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887:talk
881:Ok--
873:talk
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326:2012
251:wiki
241:talk
224:this
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