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information that added by other users even the information has proper references. List my of edits he is removing again and again: (1) I have added sequence to the table that increase redability. My sequence is more capable aircraft top and less capable aircraft button, example: MiG-29 top and F-7 button; More important type top and less important type button, example: Jet trainers top and basic trainers button. This will surely increase redability and bring aircraft of each types close to one another. Worth to mention that FOX 52 is not following any kinds sequence. My sequence is not against any
Knowledge (XXG) rule. It has actually improved the table. (2)Removing Nanchang PT-6 from table even I have added reference for it. It is currently the only basic trainer of Bangladesh Air Force. (3)Removing variant of Mig-29 even I have added reference for it. (4) Removing sentence "trainer variant of F-7" for FT-7 trainer with "license variant of the MiG-21" but it already mentioned for F-7 fighter. It is better to mention FT-7 as "trainer variant of F-7" to remove confusion as FT-7 on trainer aircraft section. (5)FOX 52 likes to use reference only from "Flight Global" most of the times and remove any other latest information from other sources. Worth to mention that Flight Global updates their list once in a year. (6)Calling Aero L-39 as a "primary trainer" when it is a well known jet trainer. So, I hope administrators will compare both versions of the table and take decision which version should remains. FOX 52 even threaten me block from Knowledge (XXG) even I have no desire to join any edit war. But actually he is the man who created edit war here. I still believe Knowledge (XXG) has equal rights for every logical users. Please help:
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2147:(4) Notes sections are frequently abused to include in a table information that doesn't belong there. Notes are appropriate for additional information the source provides, or to clarify how the row corresponds to the source(s). None of the sources contain additional information about the FT-7, the table already lists it as a variant of the F-7, and the row is in the trainer aircraft section, so I don't think any note is necessary or helpful there. On the other hand, in the combat aircraft section all the sources call the aircraft an F-7, but Knowledge (XXG) is calling it a J-7, so that needs an explanatory note.
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I already send mail to Flight Global. They confirmed that "Order of 8 Su-30 of
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Bangladesh army.So my request will be to keep the info which have accurate prof such as picture or citations.But update some information.Like BMTF doesn't make bullet proof vests or other soldiers gear.they
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