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San Francisco has had a rich heritage in the creation of gay and LGBT neighborhoods. However that does not seem to be recorded in history until after the Barbary Coast era. Content creators who are interested in writing about that movement should look for other Knowledge (XXG) articles that deal with
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Any statements in The Rise of Gay and Transgender Communities Section that are correctly sourced and are relevant to the geography of the Barbary Coast neighborhood and time period could be relocated to more suitable areas within the article. However the many irrelevant statements need to be moved to
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Fascinating article! Asbury, whom you cite, also authored "The Gangs of NY" re New York City during a similar time period. My only issue is that I tried to use google maps to trace the boundaries of the Barbary Coast, and the 4 streets mentioned, Washington, Stockton, Broadway, and Montgomery do not
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Not sure if everyone would agree with your condemnation of Herbert Asbury, who has written multiple books on history. We have to go with the sources that we find. If you can find any NEW sources that challenge statements in the article, then begin a discussion of the new facts you find, and some
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The time period of focus is also incorrect. The Barbary Coast moniker for that 9 block area of Pacific Street was given in the mid 19th Century and is rarely used as the 20th Century progresses, and by the middle 20th-Century those 9 blocks of Pacific Street are referred to as International
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Settlement. Many of the sources that this contributor cites do not belong to that time period, but refer to a later time when that 9 block section of San Francisco was no longer referred to as the Barbary Coast.
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may have accidentally made errors in sourcing, such as confusing one book with another book on the topic, rather than calling the sources potentially "fictitious". I'd like to also figure out how we can
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resolution can be made. If not, then the article's statements stand by their current sources. And yes, many events of the Old West may seem unbelievable, but have been shown to be true.
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any misplaced but verifiable and sourced content to another article with the appropriate scope, rather than just deleting it. I'll also write a note on the talk page for
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Wasn't there a film set here that details the years leading up to the earthquake, the earthquake itself, and the aftermath? I think it was made in the 1950s. The film
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Glad to see that someone else wants to get involved with this issue. I agree that most of the material in this section could be moved to other articles, however
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Is it really acceptable usage to refer to people seeking gold in general as Argonauts? Kinda funny, but appropriate for an encyclopedia? I have no idea.
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Ar"go*naut\, n. One of those who went to California in search of gold shortly after it was discovered there in 1848. --Bret Harte.
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The "Argonauts of '49" were a strong, self-reliant, generous body of men. --D. S. Jordan.
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seem to enclose 9 blocks. Can someone amend this? -
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