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Neither the Dives nor the Battle Abbey roles are considered authentic representations of the actual companions of the
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Montfort, these were the aunts of the man summoned in 1331, and hence had no claim to a lordship deemed created at that time.
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Colville. All it does in include their names in a descent from Charlemagne claimed by some woman in New York who had no particular expertise in medieval genealogy. The source is not a WP:RS, and further, the pedigree is
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seems to be about the same peerage as this article (so far as such peerage ever existed). I suggest that, if either of them should continue to exist, the other should be merged with it.
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