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fact that Ehrenfels's wife, Elfriede , had the book copyrighted in her name in 1937, which all that proves is that she copyrighted the book. After it was discovered in 1935 that Essad Bey was not a Shia Muslim Azerbaijani prince as he claimed to be, and was really just the Russian Jew Nussbaum who had converted to Islam and reinvented himself as Essad Bey, he was expelled from the German Writers Union and his books were banned in Germany. Significantly, it is after 1935 that books by "Kurban Said" start appearing in Austria. To get around the ban on Jewish authors, Austrian publishers used pseudonyms, but the German state quickly got wise to this stratagem, and started checking who registered the copyright to a book, to see if the author was Jewish or not. Elfriede von Ehrenfels registered the copyright to
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his work was all the more popular as being apparently written by an Oriental. A recurring theme of his Essad Bey persona was that the Orient was a strange and mysterious region, full of secrets that only he could unlock, which thereby gave him a sort of power. And finally the Essad Bey persona allowed Nussbaum to engage in what was even by the standards of the time, rather outrageous sexism and
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decided to reinvent himself as Essad Bey, macho Azerbaijani prince. Part of the reason for this was to deny being a Jew, and partly the reason was to go from being a nobody to being a somebody. As Essad Bey, Nussbaum catered to and validated Western preconceptions and prejudices about the Orient, and
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is how strange, exotic and romantic the peoples of the Caucasus, especially the Muslim peoples, are. Only somebody from the West would produce a picture. A Muslim from the Caucasus would regard the West as strange, not him/herself. The Orientalist picture of the Caucasus is meant to appeal to Western
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didn't happen until 1938. Germany had 68 million people while Austria had 8 million people. Even if you add in the 3 million German-speakers in Switzerland and the 2 million German-speakers in the Sudetenland, Germany was by far the largest market for German language books in the 1930s, as it still
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It was one thing to have a best-selling novel in Austria, and quite another to have a best-selling novel in the far larger market of Germany. Some of the statements here about Reiss are acts of character assassination. The article's whole case that Ehrenfels was "Kurban Said" seems to rest on the
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into the German book market. And she was perfect as a cover. Elfriede von Ehrenfels was an author, but not a very well known one, and since she was married a to Muslim, it would make sense she produce an Oriental novel like
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The references are looking better, with the inline citations, but the citations in the Notes subsection now need the full references in the References subsection. See
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This article is written by somebody who appears to be working for the government of Azerbaijan, who really does not want to accept that
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and other books written by Nussbaum to suggest that he was the author. This article needs to be rewritten from the top to bottom.--
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Without claiming to be a savant on this subject, my understanding is that the consensus is that Nussbaum/Essad is the author of
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preconceptions of the region. And it seems unlikely that a woman would produce such a macho hero as Ali; despite the title of
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because the Austrian publisher of Tal Verlag knew that German authorities would check that one before allowing
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is today. It was very common for Austrian publishers to "Aryanize" books by the Jewish authors long before the
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in order to enter the German market, something that the author of this article is apparently unaware of.
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strongly suggests that the book was written by a man. Nussbaum, the nerdy Jewish
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was written by Essad Bey. For those not familiar with debate,
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