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English language and Knowledge tradition, while yours is a foreign-language usage. YOur another source is non-english. It is quite possible that in French colonial tradition this is the way of naming. But in ENglish a
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English-language translation of the arabic "Djamaa Ben farès". This is English language wikipedia. There are sources in Arabic for Djamaa, but no sources in English. In the case when there is no common name in English, then translations preferred. If you look into
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