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71: 53: 275:", as you tell user:Wkwt above. For all we know, Labrinth may have been drunk when he replied on Twitter. IMO it's likely that he was just having fun with his followers/fans. I believe Labrinth knows perfectly well that "your" is indeed correct, and that he was just kidding when he wrote that it "was to annoy English teachers and grammar Nazis". The point is, however, that we're not supposed to include our own interpretations. The article now says that "fans asked Labrinth about the error" – I think that is in violation of 459:, it is actually sometimes permissible to use a direct reference from twitter as a source, particularly as Labrinth's page carries the verified official logo. That aside, I actually originally kept removing mentions of this because it was unsourced yet IPs kept adding it back. Then when the reference was added I've tried to make it more encyclopedic. Its only because several editors have added it back have I got involved in this discussion. — 22: 129:
saying: beneath, you are beautiful. The songwriter is actually saying, take off the artificial beautiful (the clothes, the make-up, etc), he/she wants to see beneath this layer of artificial beautiful ("let me see beneath your beautiful, see beneath your perfect, I want to see inside, let me see beneath your beautiful tonight... we ain't perfect.")
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about them. In the article, fans accuse Labrinth of misspelling "you're" by using "your" in the song's title. Labrinth responded using the term "Grammar Nazis", and so whilst I accept that neither Labrinth nor the editor of the article use the term "grammar error", it doesn't change the fact that the
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I rephrased what was said per the article. The reference reads "many commented on his spelling of ‘your’ claiming his song title should be ‘Underneath You’re Beautiful’" → which I've written on the page as → "The title of the song attracted attention from fans, some of whom questioned Labrinth about
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That is your personal opinion. The passage reads that some fans accused Labrinth of writing a song with grammar errors. He replied via the article and reference given. Therefore the article is perfectly covering the subject and there is no issue with integrity. While your point above is sensible its
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I was the one who deleted the sentences about the "Beneath Your Beautiful" song title containing a grammatical error. The reason for this is because this accusation (that it contains a grammatical error) is actually incorrect. The song uses "beautiful" as a noun, not a verb. The songwriter is not
428:, this whole mention about supposed grammatical errors being pointed out is not required in this article. There is no clear MOS for songs but the discussion is very much out of scope for this article (going by the articles I highlighted before). Moreover they fail 132:
As such, the accusations that it's grammatically incorrect has no basis given the context of the lyrics. To support the integrity of the article, these passages should either be removed, or the correct interpretation be placed.
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any more. For what its worth, having seen the lyrics I personally believe that Labrinth uses the word "your" to describe "beautiful" as a noun rather than a description but that's not the purpose of including this reference
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That's not the sentence I was referring to in my previous comment – but the next one: "Upon reaching number one in several countries, fans asked Labrinth via social networking website Twitter about the error". It violates
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Its not actually a reference from Twitter. Its an article from a local London new outlet that covered that fact that Labrinth has had a discussion with fans via his twitter page. Actually per
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fans accused Labrinth of a grammar error. If he had misspelled the word then it would be a grammar error. If Labrinth hadn't mentioned grammar or spelling then I'd accept that it was
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the spelling of the word "Your" within the song's title, believing that was a grammatical error and should have been spelt you're". I don't believe this is
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You're right that I should've chosen other words; I'm sorry for not writing for instance "Before this edit" instead. Regarding your last sentence: That is
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Looks like a fine point about Twitter but - to me - on the whole the issue has not recieved significant coverage (
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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http://us.7digital.com/artist/labrinth-feat-emeli-sande-1/release/beneath-your-beautiful
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Hey, I'm not sure how this works, it's my first time registering and talking.
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Your use of the words "socalled clarification" do not have have a sense of
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by the source – it's your interpretation of the reply on Twitter.
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supported by the source, you are engaging in original research".
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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by (indirectly) stating that there is in fact an error.
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is a disambiguation page – which article did you mean?
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