Talk:Bleeding Love - Knowledge (XXG)

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on the singer's life - she was "frozen", she kept the "pain all closed in", etc. To be "cut open" in the context of the song is a good thing since the result is that she "bleeds" love. Nothing in the lyrics suggest that the experience is a painful one, but rather is welcome and wonderful. Granted, the image of bleeding and being cut open otherwise suggests pain, but it's obviously a metaphor in this song. (Of course, it would be hilarious if the explanation was actually written by the lyricist and this is totally wrong!)

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the lead, not a reason to remove it from the lead; a genre of song is a very important part of that song - it gives readers an idea of what the song is about, and is therefore very helpful to include in the lead section; and other song articles may not include the genre in the lead but many others do, and you shouldn't remove something just because another article doesn't have it - it would be better to add it to article then remove it from them. –

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I know nobody will probably read this or bother to comment but I would like to see the genres left in the lead section here and in other songs, where they have been removed. The reasons are: the lead summarises the entire article so because it's mentioned in the article is a good reason to have it in

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I don't have any problem with them being left in the lead; I used to remove genres from lead sentences but stopped because there is no consistency whether or not to remove or include them there...half of song articles have them in and half don't. To include the genre in the lead sentence doesn't put

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I wonder if the person who wrote the explanation of the song's meaning in "Song Structure" has actually listened to/read the lyrics. It strikes me that he/she derived it from the music video rather than the actual lyrics. I think the song pretty clearly is about the positive influence of the lover

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A: Both Promusicae are official, one is for the physical sales and the other is only for downloads. The most important is the downloads chart since the physical single market is dead. The most popular chart in Spain is "Los 40 Principales", though it is not what it used to be anymore. It is based on

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I thought it was sure to have charted there as it's position in the Hot 100 is based purely on airplay at the moment, is it not? I don't want to put it on the chart list, I know it's a component chart, but I wanted to mention it in the airplay section. I've checked that link many times before but I

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I am pretty certain that the song has been released in the Unites States, but I cannot see Bleeding Love listed in any of the charts, has it not been made fully available for purchase yet, is it climbing the charts (like the Canadian Hot 100), or has it not managed to chart at all. I have seen many

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It doesn't really matter if we don't reference the official sites as aCharts uses them itself. Also, many official sites don't have archives, which are helpful for verification. aCharts has trajectories, so you can easily verify lots of information from just one page. aCharts is used to reference a

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Hi there. Its confusing because the opening says it was the bestselling song in the us in 2008, however the year end section states it was the 2nd. Should this be cleared up or is me simply missing something. I remember seeing the run up on billboard.com in January and Flo Rida's Low was number 1,

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Out of interest why are all the charts being referenced to this source? Surely it would be better to reference the official chart sites in each case, many of which update faster than acharts? It's just a fan site from what I can tell, and thus their choice of chart (for example in the Netherlands,

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to the charts table, as my edit summary wouldn't fit! I removed Croatia as the reference only says she's number 1 in the UK. D-z chart had no source and I have no idea what it is or if it's important (it was removed by another user as I was editing and caused an edit conflict). The wrong Eurochart

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Doesn't fair use of an image under copyright mean you have to illustrate something essential to the article which would have no free use alternative?- I don't think sheet music qualifies for this, its presence is definitely not essential to the article; every other pop-song article seems to manage

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Yes, a 6 interval raise from major to minor. The 6th is crucial to this song..the verse melody is based on an alternating octave/6th (22 measures are just the octave and the sixth). This interval is the one used by the old emergency services siren,...making the metaphorical connection to the song

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If you are not a fan it should not bother you in the first place unless you're out on a mission to put offical remix sections to all wikipedia song pages. The fact that you also have no clue highlights the futility. In any case there is only ONE official remix, the Jason Nevis Extended Mix and it

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It was released to download in December 2007, and had a major radio launch about a week or so ago. Someone keeps adding that it's number 111 in the Billboard Hot 100 but really they mean 11 in the Hot 100 Bubbling Under Chart or whatever it's called. But I can only see the top 10 of that chart so

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one. I linked the Polish chart ref to an archive page showing the song at its peak, as it was linked to before (making it easier for verification after it's left the chart). The Turkish chart listed is one radio station's chart so not official. The UK and Ireland download charts are not component

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lol sorry i just had to mention this: The infobox single section says the song is Platinum in USA, the WikiChart in the Chart Section below says 2x Plat., then the main discography page says 4x Plat. They need to be changed to the correct certification as all three say different certifications!

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I have removed the unsourced sales figures from this article. The song is only 1x platinum in the UK. Also I believe the source on the discography page confirms 2x platinum in the US, not 4. It's slightly unclear as it lists the song as Gold twice and Platinum twice. Does that mean 2x platinum?

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Basically, the chord progression of the song changes from a major to minor key. If you superimposed the first chorus on top of the final chorus, you would get dissonance. Although the melody remains the same, the chord progression changes. Songs written in major keys, by convention, always back

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To illustrate my point is today's update of the Italian chart to an acharts reference. acharts doesn't state which chart they're using, but it is definitely the Musica & Dischi chart where Bleeding Love is number 1 for a second week. This isn't the official FIMI chart which we previously

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It's just a list of countries in most cases - they're not specific as to which chart they're using in each country hence the Italian confusion where they use the alternative Musica E Dischi chart. They don't specify as they need permission from each of the publishers to post the charts.

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The article has changed release dated for the single in the USA over two occasions, however both of these dates are in the past, and there seems to be no sign of how bleeidng love has charted in the States, is this a mistake, or has the single simply not charted at all in the country??

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Someone has added a 'German special edition single' with a supposed B-side 'You Bring Me Down', but there is NO CATALOG number to justify it exists, and the deceptive citation takes you to a German Amazon page which has NO TRACKLIST information. Who else is in favor of its removal?

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Why is there 'Leone Lewis single Chronology', 'Leona Lewis unofficial single chronology', and 'Spirit track listing'? So redundant, and what's the point of it? Also having track listing order is sooooooo useless, I wonder who invented it, cos it appears on so many wikipedia pages.

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On Sweden, Denmark and Norway: was on Billboard.com last night and did a search on Bleeding Love and it came up with these three peak positions respectively #1 (Swe Dec 15 AND Jan 12), #2 (Den Dec 15) and #4 (Nor Dec 15). There's also Finland #10 (Jan 5th). Worth investigating?

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I've just had a quick look and can see what you found. Billboard obviously use different charts to aCharts. I think Billboard make their own whereas aCharts uses official charts. I could be wrong, but if I'm right, we should keep it how it is. Probably something to bring up on

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I understand that you are using the Mega Singles Top 100 for the Netherlands chart position but why do you removed the category "Number-one singles in the Netherlands", because that category is clearly applied for the songs that reached the top of the Dutch Top 40.

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The Nederlandse Top 40 (Dutch Top 40) has some extremely arcane chart rules, but is broadcast by Radio 538 and used by TMF. The GfK Top 100 (formerly the Mega Single Top 100) is the music industry chart and the one used by the Dutch version of Top Of The Pops.

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He says, "I originally wrote it for my own record. I kept thinking about being in love so much that it hurts...." ""I was so in love that it was painful. It was like bleeding, it cut me open. That's how my head was and that idea just really fit the song."

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I had changed Sweden last night then thought like you it was best keeping it as it is now, so changed it back. I wonder if Billboard is using digital only charts in those countries, or as you say just their own internal charts which may include airplay?

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Also, in the States, certifications are not automatic. Sales numbers may exceed the certification for a certain level, but it's up to the label to submit for certification. So it's possible the certification's much lower than the actual sales number.

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Perhaps it's unnecessary, but shouldn't there be a section about Jesse Mccartney's version of the song? After all, he did help write the song. How come there's a section about Tom Dice's version (I'd never even heard him before), but not Jesse's?

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You said "Plus, the same chart says 2x Platinum for the USA, however the Discography page says 4x Platinum." The sources on both articles are the same, but the actual source is confusing because it says Platinum twice, but not 2x Platinum.

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Because physical singles usually aren't sold here anymore and digital sales are still relatively small, there is no official singles chart. An airplay chart is used by the music industry in SA but it is usually not published publically."

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The darker quality of superimposing the second half of the verse, as well as the final chorus over this VI chord progression, in addition to resolving the song on this relative minor, enhances the intensity of the pain and pathos of the

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I've added that source to the article. But I'm not 100% sure that what Lewis said in the interview cited has been correctly interpreted in the article. But what I feel the song is about is someone who feels unable to love due to her

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You are misreading the source. It says the Digital single (DI) was awarded GOLD, and then PLATINUM, both on 04/24/2008, and the Mobile RINGTONE (MT) was certified the same. Ringtone charts don't count, so it's only single platinum.

2432:... That Japan Billboard Hot 100 might be one of those charts created by Billboard that measures the airplay and sales of some countries, but that is NOT official... This should be changed or replaced by official information... 995:

I am aware of how hugely popular the track has been but surely there has to be some kind of moderation on Wiki with regards to the charts on the page. I think everyone would agree that it is ridiculous and in serious need of a

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In "Bleeding Love" the turn around from the common I, vi, IV, V (F, Dm, Bb, C) progression used exclusively up to the bridge for both verses and choruses shifts to focus on the relative minor: vi, IV, I/V, V (Dm, Bb, F/C,

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The song happened to be playing on the car radio in one of the best Russian dash cam videoes of the event. Trivial exposure, but there are no WP copyright concerns re linkage inasmuch as copyright has not been asserted.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20081211051504/http://www.billboard.com:80/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling+Under+Hot+100+Singles&ci=3091539&cdi=9667806&cid=02%2F16%2F2008

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Q: Can someone clear up a question for me? What is the official Spain singles chart? Such that when someone says Rihanna hit #1 in the USA, UK, Germany and Spain with Umbrella, which Spanish chart do they refer to?

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https://web.archive.org/web/20110719010101/http://www.hitlistan.se/netdata/ghl002.mbr/lista?liid=43&dfom=20080001&newi=0&height=420&platform=Win32&browser=MSIE&navi=no&subframe=Mainframe

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As such I think we should concentrate on the Promusicae download chart. Unfortunately they only publish a top 10 on their site and on Los40.com. Top 20s are published elsewhere such as on the forums at ukmix.org.

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As there are so many charts listed in the table, would anyone object to the removal of the airplay charts? The informaion would not be totally lost, as I would use that information to expand the airplay section.

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The FIMI Top Digital Download Chart replaced the abolished FIMI Mix E Singoli chart at the start of 2008 as Italy's Official Singles Chart due to the decrease in sales of physical single CDs and vast increase in

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I Don't know! but how has three different certifications been on here unnoticed for so long! i never noticed lol. With the impact she had it must be more than just Platinum. calvin999 23:54, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

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I agree entirely with that, but always worth keeping an eye on which chart they're using in case they sneek in an unofficial one. In the two competing Netherlands charts Leona is #3 this week which helps ;-)

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is only a component chart, and component charts should be avoided unless the song failed to chart on the main chart. Using the Mega Single Top 100 instead of the Dutch Top 40 is the same thing as using the

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but my resolve is weakening - what do Dutch wiki users consider the official chart? Is there any dispute between the two over which is "official" or is there no argument that everyone considers the

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As we appear to have no way of updating these chart placings (the reference is to Leona Lewis's official site and hasn't been updated in a number of weeks) I recommend we remove both charts.

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It says it's sold more than 4 million copies, not that it's been certified 4x platinum. We need a source that says it has been certified, not sold a number that is equal to a certification.

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There's four other official mixes: two by Moto Blanco and two by Shapeshifters. All 5 (incl. the Jason Nevins mix) appear on a promotional CD in the USA aimed at Dance stations and DJs.

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http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling%20Under%20Hot%20100%20Singles&ci=3091539&cdi=9667806&cid=02%2F16%2F2008

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I was just about to post the same having spent half an hour looking for it - all the links on the wikipedia page are bogus. Should have checked here first! I recommend we delete it.

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I apologise, I got the impression you changed the chart because it was sales only, not because it was official, but I was wrong. If you haven't already, feel free to change it back.

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You can see in the source that it is certified 4xPlatium in the US. I do not know why someone changed it to Platinum. —Preceding comment added by wiki4tune 14:33, 9 December 2010

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Is there currently any reference on quality of the samples used in this song? The vocals are very good, but seriously someone must have commented before on the clipped baseline?

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reviews by profesionals and the public in the USA, all positive, so if it is getting such rave reviews, then why has it not managed the Top 100, can someone please clear this up

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http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/esearch/chart_display.jsp?cfi=344&cfgn=Singles&cfn=Bubbling+Under+Hot+100+Singles&ci=3091539&cdi=9667806&cid=02%2F16%2F2008

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I agree with you about Italy and have reverted the change. But in most cases, we know aCharts uses the official chart and it's handy for the trajectories etc.

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a non-neutral spin on the article like "Grammy-award winning" or "unsuccessful" does. The only thing I'd do is have them unlinked, as they are common links.

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or "cutting." If someone has any reference material that can debunk or support such an argument, it would be helpful information to include in the article.

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Is the German CD release date correct? It's entered the chart with the issue date 1 February, so it seems unlikely that it was released on 11 January.

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I know, I didn't change it because it's unclear what certification it actually has! The source just says "platinum" twice. Is there another source?

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BTW, the Certifications WikiChart on the Bleeding Love page still says 2x Platinum for USA when it is 4x! lol calvin999 22:41, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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00:08, 22 October 2007 ( BLEEDING LOVE LEONA LEWIS NUMBER ONE ITUNES CHARTS APRIL 30 2008 4:46 PM EASTERN TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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anemone - I've changed the Hungarian peak position back to number 1. It entered at 1 on 8/12, dropped to 5 on 15/12 then back up to 2 on 22/12.

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I don't know, someone might have meant that it was certified Gold on that date and now it is Platinum? calvin999 22:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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https://web.archive.org/20080121170420/http://www.billboard.com:80/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=European+Hot+100+Singles

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shows "Bleeding Love" peaking at number 26 in their radio chart, but nothing for the singles chart. I suggest changing it in the article.

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Where can it be varified that Hilary Duff co-wrote this song? I could not find that in any of the sources and it shocked me to see that?

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https://web.archive.org/web/20130621061430/http://promusicae.es/files/listasanuales/canciones/Top%2050%20CANCIONES%20%20ANUAL%202008.pdf

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1x platinum is just 'platinum' on its own. No, i said the chart on the Bleeding Love page said 4x, not the discography. Plus, this link

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But we should be able to work out which charts they're using so we'll know where we can use aCharts as a reference and when we can't.

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oh yer my bad. but i did find a link saying US = 4 million. And what do u mean platinum twice? calvin999 17:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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suggests a max of 20. There is currently 40+. The less notable ones should be taken out. Also, why are there two Belgian charts?

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http://web.archive.org/web/20110722145903/http://www.exonline.com.mx/XStatic/excelsior/template/content.aspx?se=nota&id=175833

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The song is exactly what's written in the article. The song is definitely about pain and getting hurt: McCartney said so himself:

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says (if u scroll about halfway down next to the pic of leona) that she has just passed 4 million sales in the US and this link

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https://web.archive.org/web/20100413105710/http://www.aria.com.au/pages/aria-charts-end-of-year-charts-top-100-singles-2008.htm

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a) Promusicae Top 20 Singles y Maxis b) Promusicae Listas De Descargas De Canciones (Downloads) c) Los 40 Principales Lista 40

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One of the charts is for the Dutch-speaking region of Flanders, and the other is for the French-speaking region of Wallonia.

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Yes that's the page I was looking at but it wasn't clear what it meant because of the two types, there is no key. Thanks.

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Thus I have deleted the SA Airplay entry for now unless we get a definitive source for the airplay information.

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I just think that an official remixes section shoul be made. I'm not a fan, have no clue what was released...

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There is an alternative chart which is considered important and combines airplay and sales. It is compiled by:

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There's a list of charts they use at the side of their website, so they're unlikely to sneak in any new ones.

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http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/mccartney%20wrote%20bleeding%20love%20about%20girlfriend_1067039

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Are we using a digital download chart for Italy? Do they have a singles chart that includes physical sales?

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https://web.archive.org/web/20080731233840/http://www.sonybmg.com.au/news/details.do?newsId=20030829005243

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I say we go with the latter because of its sales only format, and its recognition by the music industry.

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The chart we were already using, the GfK Top 100 is one of the three official charts in the Netherlands.

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On XM Channel 21 (Kiss), I heard a fast, sped up version of "Bleeding Love". Did anyone else here this?

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Lewis's Bleeding Love has been getting immense airplay in India too...D'you think it merits an add here

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referenced where Leona was number 4 last week and is number 3 this (not updated yet on the FIMI site).

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http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=European%20Hot%20100%20Singles

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http://perezhilton.com/2013-02-15-meteor-explodes-over-russia-leaving-almost-1000-injured#.USSj0H25du0

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https://web.archive.org/web/20120404175938/http://www.disqueenfrance.com/fr/page-259376.xml?year=2008

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https://web.archive.org/20130703035714/http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2008/canadian-hot-100

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Well we need to find out what the actual certification is and then change the articles accordingly.

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this song become hit when it peak #1 at MET107 and Eazy FM 2 Biggest English song radio in thailand

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yes this source!!! the one i posted about in like the third paragraph of this thread!! here it is:

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https://web.archive.org/20131022202531/http://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2008/japan-hot-100

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The articles says 1.5million plays on the internet. The youtube video has 51,668,765 plays alone.

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http://www.promusicae.es/files/listasanuales/canciones/Top%2050%20CANCIONES%20%20ANUAL%202008.pdf

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Whether the person who wrote the Bleeding Love page on the Netherlands wiki agrees is irrelvant.

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I have seen a lot of online discussion in which fans seem convinced that this song is supporting

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