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No black ops team would ever disclose their operation to a civilian writer, let alone allow him to join them on a mission. To do so would subject them to criminal prosecution under 18 USC 793 and a host of other federal laws. They would face serious jail time if convicted. It's a stupid and silly
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Thor makes a number of claims that have no source other than him. Those are claims, not facts. Claims can be included but they should be written as such. If author John Jones claims he was on a secret space mission to Mars, that doesn't make it true because he says it. So instead of saying "John
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Based on the authorship history (36 glowing, unreferenced, glowing additions by
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heart-pounding chase where the stakes are higher than they have ever been before." This sort of breathy promotional prose is blatantly unencyclopedic. I've not read any of his books so I'm not in a position to edit this article accurately. Someone needs to edit out the heavy hype.
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The lead paragraph erroneously inferred that all of his books are number-one NYT bestsellers. A check of the NYT lists shows several on the list but not all. As well, given two have not yet even been published, they could not be number-one sellers.
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