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English is not phonetic. The "i" or "e" can be pronounced as "ee". Perhaps we can add IAST to clarify this. But we need to stick to the common name verifiable in scholarly secondary and tertiary sources. On "Big temple", we can mention that as local name in the main article, but we should stick to
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Brihadeeswar temple is the largest temple in the world. The claimed source is not in public domain and the fact cannot be verified. However, it is a well known fact that larger temples exist, or in other words, Brihadeeswar temple is not the largest of the temples. For
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Exactly. 'Peruvudaiyar koil' or 'Peruvudaiyar temple' is the correct name to call and why this name is always masked and calling in that peculiar alien word. Everyone in Tamil nadu is known only by the name Periya koil (big temple). Also from 2015 onwards this temple suddenly getting a new name
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Exactly. 'Peruvudaiyar koil' or 'Peruvudaiyar temple' is the correct name to call and why this name is always masked and calling in that peculiar alien word. Everyone in Tamil nadu is known only by the name Periya koil (big temple). Also from 2015 onwards this temple suddenly getting a new name
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The term 'Brihadiswara' temple and all its other forms are tantamount to cultural appropriation. There are no sanskrit inscriptions at this temple. It's not locally referred to as 'Brihadiswara' temple, but rather as 'Rajarajeswaram' or as 'Peruvudaiyar' temple. This new sanskritized naming is
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I agree that the name in more reliable sources, such as scholarly books/journal articles should be preferred. Thinknirmal's move seems to have been undiscussed. You can wait a couple of days for others to contribute to this discussion, and make a bold move if no one opposes your suggestion.
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Chennai not Madras in the English language. References incorrectly stated must be modified. Please think about it. I don't want this to be a shouting match, but lets do what makes sense.
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No the above statement is wrong. It was not made of single stone. It is made of several stones resembling the top view of orange. The statement regarding that "the shadow will not touch the ground is also wrong". only the Shadow of Kalash will not fall down on earth
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