Talk:Bull and terrier

96: 75: 106: 1573:. A "mixture" of bull and terrier (which are dog types/groups not breeds) doesn't produce a breed and maybe not even a landrace, but a cross-bred type, which might even be fairly consistent, like labradoodles, etc. We generally don't need articles on these things (there's a nearly unlimited number of possible cross-breed combinations), just those that are covered by significant, in-depth (not passing-mention) coverage in multiple, independent, reliable secondary sources (which rules out most breeder and breeder-organization material). 1504:". The article says "no single, scientifically accepted definition of the term exists. It was shown by set-theoretic means that for the term breed an infinite number of different definitions, which more or less meet the common requirements found in literature, can be given. A breed is therefore not an objective or biologically verifiable classification but is instead a term of art amongst groups of breeders who share a consensus around what qualities make some members of a given species members of a nameable subset." The 42: 1543: 1805:; various breeder groups have created a sort of "mythology" around the two breeds and the landrace that isn't borne out by serious research but which can still be frequently encountered in breeder-authored breed profiles, including those published by major cat fancier organisations and publications. The fact that they make possibly untenable claims (and what facts and other sources make those claims questionable) can be noted without WP endorsing the claims. 1649:

information. It has some ancestral links but it is not the bull and terrier of the mid-1800s. It is ludicrous to assume all bulldog and terrier crosses became the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, which would make that modern breed the ancestral sire of all the other dogs that descended from the bull and terrier hybrids, and that is too far-fetched to even discuss. It's time to put this argument to bed.

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am aware that this fact contradicts the direction and limited tone on this article as it is today, but maybe we can correct the tone so that it includes hunting bull and terriers too, rather than just trying to delete the fact that most hunting terriers are also bull and terrier crosses. Maybe we can work together to make a very good article.

1742:. This would allow us to include a well documented history section with offramps for the Bull Terrier in the 1860s, the American breeds in the 1870s and the Staffie in the 1930s. But I do think the Staffie article needs to acknowledge that a number of authorities and kennel clubs believe the Staffie is the original Bull and Terrier rebadged. 1595:

term was most especially used for the variety that eventually became standardised as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. This doesn't seem difficult to write about, nor does it sound like we need a stand-alone article on it, but if we're going to have one it's not hard to write it sensibly, and to refer to it sensibly in other articles like

1870:, and nothing has changed until today. You don't see these working strains on Crufts; it's their duty to keep the vermin short. Look at the following pictures and compare the shape of the head of the Bull Terrier (early imports into the USA) with the pictured working terriers, you would have to be blind not to realize the resemblance." 1236:. The list of terriers bred to the Old English Bulldog in-order to create Bull and Terrier crosses is perhaps endless, and so I have written that the Old English Bulldog was bred to a variety of terriers so that the article can include all of the crosses done between the Old English Bulldog and the Terrier. 2056:

It is not up to individual editors to determine what is or isn't a RS - you can certainly question it on this TP but it appears to me that you're here to push a particular POV; thus the NPOV tag on the article. I also have growing concerns that you aren't quite grasping WP:CONTEXTMATTERS. Perhaps you

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I don't know why this particular term has been argued about for so long, but we seem to have a lot of sourcing that indicates that the term "bull and terrier" was used for cross-bred fighting dogs of a particular era and region, which were ancestral to several standardised modern breeds, and that the

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is not just some dog enthusiast who writes books. Yes, it's a biased source but that doesn't necessarily make it an unreliable source. We already know that RS about dog topics are in short supply, especially topics that date back centuries, so we do the best we can. There will be times that we might

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I do not think it is accurate to describe these dogs as a type. A type is broad categorisation of dogs who are genetically and historically related but who have through distance, breeder's preferences, regional sensitivities or some other factor subdivided into various varieties/landraces/breeds and

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What we do have is scientific evidence that supports what I've said in that the Staffordshire Bull Terrier is not "the" renamed bull and terrier. My sources of information come from the primary breed registries where the history and stud book records are kept, multiple experts, some of whom are book

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except for the Staffordshire portion. There is no scientific evidence, or even verifiable anecdotal evidence that supports such a claim beyond book authors attempting to sell books or push their own opinions - none of which is based on science or verifiable evidence. It reminds me of trying to prove

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Back to the internal question of whether we need a separate article about bull-and-terrier dogs: I'll repeat what I said at the other page: we have that article because someone a long time ago got it into their head that pretty much every term ever found in a dog book should have a WP article about

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and the looser meanings of "breed". Seems like a grey matter, with a spectrum ranging from very broad types bred for certain characteristics (big dog, small dog; long-legged dog, short-legged dog) and the extreme purebred dogs (big but with short legs and a dozen other specific qualities). I suppose

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One should not deny or try to ignore or reject bull and terrier crosses whom are hunting dogs. Just about every working/hunting terrier you see today has bull-dog blood in them and the history and use of bull and terriers as hunting dogs should stop getting deleted from this article in my opinion. I

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And it is verifiably factually accurate. You might also read what I've added to the lead about the genetics of these crosses, and in the Terminology section. It's a work in progress. What we don't want to do is perpetuate false information, and claiming the Stafford IS the bull and terrier is false

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I removed the duplicate sentence which was not a copyvio. It was something you could have done just as easily. If you had actually read the article you would have seen the exact same material inside the quotebox above which is properly cited. I got distracted, and forgot to delete the pasted quote

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I'm detecting a whiff of the "If evolution is real, why do monkeys still exist?" fallacy at play in this multi-thread debate. The fact (as best we can determine it) that bull-and-terrier dogs of a certain consistency became standardised as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, when long-term bred with

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There was a long and detailed disagreement wherein a consensus was finally reached that a non-existent breed or mixed breed dog type cannot be extinct, just that the function certain mixed breed dogs once served became illegal. Modern breeders established kennel clubs, conformation dog shows and

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The term "bull and terrier" pre-dates the establishment of the first formal dog-breeder association (the Kennel Club, in the UK). Some sources call this a breed, but they are using that word in the broadest possible sense, and that is not the sense that Knowledge uses. WP distinguishes between

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Your demands are making me weary. How many more times do I have to repeat myself? Is Fleig even cited in this article? If you can't read the source in context, cite another source that you like better. While I'd be happy to discuss the pros and cons of sourcing/citations with you at a WikiCon or

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is an excellent citer cleaner-upper if my citations need work. BTW - another editor cited that book before me which is how I came across it - I didn't check to see which editor it was. I managed to find the material online and grabbed the page number for you - it may have been Amazon or another

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anecdotal evidence. The fact that various KCs and other breeder groups "believe the Staffie is the original Bull and Terrier rebadged", and other sources provide some evidence against this view, is encyclopedically significant in and of itself. I've tried to address faintly similar stuff at

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I am not sure the analogy with the Labradoodles is accurate either, designer crossbreds are typically F1 or F2 crosses (as in the crosses from base breeds that are repeatedly replicated and the progeny of those crosses are not continuously bred with one another for multiple generations). Yes

1843:. I am not convinced that we should delete or merge this article. It has great historic significance that belongs in this encyclopedia. I have already included all substantial views in the SBT article, and I'm still researching. The following is also relevant: (my bold +underline) - citing 1443:

WikiMania, I really don't have time to do it here. I've done my part, so if you want more, go to the library and look it up - or buy the book. It is always better to read citations in context anyway. Oh, and it is not our job as volunteers to hand-hold our readers - we are not librarians.

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This coincides perfectly with the historical descriptions that, though they do not clearly identify all breeds involved, report the popularity of dog contests in Ireland and the lack of stud book veracity, hence undocumented crosses, during this era of breed creation (Lee,

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There are no NPOV issues that I can see - neither here, nor at the Staffordshire Bull Terrier article. This is not a good look for you, Cavalryman. Is it possible that you're prejudiced against this and the SBT article because your merge proposal didn't gain consensus?

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breed registries were founded. I think the crux of the confusion was over 1800s dog-types, and the methods of naming those types of mixed breeds (of unknown origins) were typically based on the dog's function; thus bulldog and terrier. The references are now removed.

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You're not disputing my POV - you're arguing with DNA evidence, scientific data, and scholarly research. I'm not going to participate in this discussion because your view is based on anecdotal evidence. If you can demonstrate otherwise, my eyes and mind are wide open.

1699:). I have deliberately linked to those four breeds also because they were previously two breeds and due to national sensitivities have been further divided along national boundaries, so they are now breeds "closed" from one another that are not typically interbred. 1722:

then we are saying no breed existed before 1873, I do not think that is accurate. But, if we would prefer to use another term (such as variety) then that would be preferable, because I do not think "type" is correct nor do I do I believe it is backed up by

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breeds, landraces, cross-breeds, hybrids, feral mongrel populations, wild subspecies, etc., but there are dog books that call them all "breeds" (mainly as an excuse to claim to be the most "complete" dog breed encyclopedia as of the time of publication).

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to the article as per the linked discussion this article has clearly been rewritten with a certain agenda in mind. Before tagging the article with further issues tags I would like to give the page author a chance to rectify these most glaring issues.

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for example, they have existed for centuries right across the Eurasia from Korea to Spain (and parts of North Africa), basically wherever wolves exist and people keep sheep or goats. They have subsequently been divided into a number of breeds, see

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The picture in the description is a rather odd choice. There are several dogs in the picture, and I cannot tell which one is supposed to be a Bull and Terrier. Is there not a single picture of this breed, or painting containing a single dog?

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it, and we've been playing cleanup for a long time, merging away redundant and non-notable pages. To me, it would make more sense to have an article on bully-type dogs, and another on terrier-type dogs, and then simply refer as needed to

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the sources detailed above all say it was a breed. Yes there is likely less deviation of appearance seen within breeds in the western world today than yesteryear, but that does not make them any less of a breed (the advent of

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The Kennel Club recognized the breed as the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. "The result has been very far-reaching." It attracted dog show types who weren't that interested in the "gameness of the breed" but more in their value.

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It's sort of like saying griffons and elves are extinct, since griffons and elves were never not-extinct. It's absurd to say. But it's also a bit like saying mules are extinct because they aren't a genuine equine species.

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Clearly, a bulldog and a terrier, despite each being pedigreed, can mate and have puppies (assuming they aren't neutered/same-sex/too old/deformed/some other reason they can't besides speciation), to this very day.

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for those breeds we have articles about on enwiki. As already said those breeds have diverged for a number of reasons, sometimes simply local preferences. For example in the Himalayas they like black and tan LGDs

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initially the Bull and Terrier was created from a a number of crosses of two varieties of dog, but they were subsequently bred with each other for generations. This is pretty much how all new breeds are created,

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because we cannot/will not violate policy by saying in WikiVoice that the bull and terrier is the renamed Staffordshire Bull Terrier, if that's what you're calling a NPOV issue. What exactly are you proposing,

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Mac, I question the context of some of those claims as they are not fact-based. Similar statements have been made about the 5 other distinct breeds that are descendants of the bull and terrier hybrids. See

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and it is no doubt due to our forbearers liking of a true game fighting dog, brave and fearless yet of sound disposition towards man, that we have bull terriers today and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in

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has encouraged greater uniformity). Breeds seen in the developing world typically show greater variation in appearance as function (as opposed to form) is typically (but not always) what is sought from a

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This is a response to the entire multi-page, multi-thread debate, not just the post above. "Breeds" that existed before breeder organisations and breed standards are/were, pretty much by definition,

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each other for fixed traits instead of being further cross-bred, has no bearing on the question of whether other bull-and-terrier bloodlines exist and gave rise, in whole or in part, to other breeds.

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The description of the Bull Terrier states that they are all "pure white" yet the page links to a photo of what is presumably a Bull Terrier and is not, in fact, white. Something's screwy here.

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website, I can't remember. Their program won't let you keep going back to a book you already looked at - they want you purchase it. Do you have a copy of the book? If not, I can ask

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use the term in a more general sense, and don't call this a purebred, rather it's "the mixture of the bull and terrier". The earliest mention of Staffordshire I found is in

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to help us find one or maybe TWL can get us access. Later - it's 11:30 pm here, (and, what, around 4:10pm your time?) so you're just get started and I'm done for the day.

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At the very least, if this is some other meaning of "extinct" with which this author is unfamiliar, the link in the term should not go back to the standard definition.

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between them without having an an article devoted to cross-breeding between them, which isn't magically more special than cross-breeding between other types of dogs.

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The English White Terrier was created in the 1850s at its earliest, and was first shown in 1864. The English White Terrier was used in the creation of the White "

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Apologies if I have not addressed all points above, I am getting pumped at work today. Also Atsme, could you please address my questions in the above section?

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Original research - the infobox contains a number of completely unattributed claims such as the whippet being one of the foundation breeds of this breed.

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Wasn't my citation, either. I moved material around to make for better article flow, and that cite and what it was cited for was part of what I moved.

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So, if that could always happen and it can happen now, and if they aren't recognised by breeders and kennel clubs as a distinct breed, but also never

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If we cannot work together, or if some people just don't want to include the hunting bull and terrier crosses, then I will leave this article alone.

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I see a problem with the term "breed" having two meanings. The more general, looser meaning that Cavalryman is using and the more specific meaning

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that accounts for a number of breeds that have descended from these early dogs, either through deliberate outcrosses with other breeds (the

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According to the article, "The bull and terrier was never a bona fide breed" It's also listed as extinct, with the reason being that it's

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website by a single person who states no expertise in the area beyond (a) being a webmaster and (b) having "a passion for bulldogs".

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Without wading deep into what is looking more and more like an inter-personal dispute: "A possible compromise here may be to merge

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is but one of its many members, on Knowledge. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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Those kinds of books, BTW, are tertiary sources, not secondary, anyway, so they do not help establish notability, and should be

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shows that the name "bull and terrier" goes back to circa 1820, while "Staffordshire Bull Terrier" only appeared after 1930.

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The Pit Bull(APBT) was the progenitor of the Amstaff. The Bull and Terrier isn't the direct ancestor of the amstaff.

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not like the credentials, but IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid reason to consider a source unreliable...CONTEXTMATTERS.

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There is no evidence that Bull and Terriers were ever so divided in their country of origin, yes we have

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The page # is in the citation with the date (1996:86), where it has been since you first asked me. BTW,

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breed standard, which at some point the organization responsible for the standard decided to rename to

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WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: Sources for the former names of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier

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The article has two citations using the website bulldoginformation.com. Please note that this is a

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is as different, if not more so, from the terriers of the 1700s and early 1800s as the modern

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recognised by breeders and kennel clubs as a distinct breed, then how can they be "extinct"?

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The Great Book of Bulldogs, Bull Terrier and Molosser – Part 1 – Bulldogs & Bull Terrier

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which also applies to bull and terrier crosses as those crosses created the pit bull types:

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Unreliable sources - a number of the sources cited are clearly unreliable, including:

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It is probably not a reliable source per Knowledge Verifiability and RS guidelines.

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This is neither attributed nor cited so is a flagrant copyvio of Parker et a paper.

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So confirm the page number is 86? The the middle of the chapter about the modern

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Just a few of the most glaring issues that leap out from the recent rewrite:

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has emerged as the most popular breed of terrier of the present time."

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RfC: Sources for the former names of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier

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OR?? Perhaps, but it was added in April 2019, nearly 3 years ago;

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Continuing from where we were on the fringe theories noticeboard.

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Copyvio - the last sentence of the DNA analysis sub-section is:

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Knowledge level-5 vital articles in Biology and health sciences

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outlines a very well documented example of a breed's genesis.

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and commonly referred to as "dogs" and of which the domestic

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a false positive or negative, if that's a correct analogy.

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authors, DNA evidence, and what I found most recently in

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and gradually a new breed developed which became known

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Talk:Staffordshire Bull Terrier#Article's neutrality

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The Pit Bull(APBT) was the progenitor of the Amstaff

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