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stimulated study with Lady Godiva,46,47,48". Page 78 starts with "4. Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, 18 April 1952" and then "Jemima, cylindrical, unreflected 235 U metal assembly; excursion history unknown; insignificant exposures." The word "Jemima" appears two more times in that document: "accident was, in many respects, similar to that of Jemima (II-B.4)" on page 83; and "similar to those of the Jemima (II-B.4) accident" on page 84. My guess is that "II-B 4." refers to "Table 11. Reactor and Critical Experiment Accidents" on page 68, where entry 4 has "18-04-52 Los Alamos, NM 92.4 kg U(93) metal Cylinder, unreflected". I'll dig around to see what I can find.
252:. What is described here (the dropping of a piece of U-235 through a hole) is not the Godiva Device, but the "Dragon Experiment". The Lady Godiva assembly involved the stacking of bars of uranium hydride. Frisch indeed had a dangerous incident with this but it was in 1944, not 1954. I don't know what the Jemima device was, but given the preceding incident, Godiva couldn't have been invented after Jemima in 1952. These are just the things wrong that I know about. There may be others; an expert's attention is requested. 67: 49: 22: 305:
I tried to verify the sentences mentioning Frisch from the Preston book but Google books only permits a very limited snippet search. It yields zero matches for the words "Jemima" or "Godiva"; "hesitated" only appears once on page 15 about Marie Curie; the phrase "glowing continuously" appears once on
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Yes, the 1954 date is strange, I will now look for the Diana Preston book used as cite - maybe this was a typo. Meanwhile, the paragraph mentioning Jemima appears to cite the los Alamos document - I added this quote from page 78 to the reference: "apparent self terminating property of this excursion
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A Google Books search for "What Little I Remember godiva" returns a good preview of Frisch's book: inside section "Los Alamos 1943-1945: 1", page 161 has "we called it the Lady Godiva assembly". Page 161 supports the Frisch paragraph once 1954 is corrected to 1944, which I will do now.
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page 409 referring to page 278 with a highly elided note "glowing continuously ... reflected ... critical ... the reaction ... second ... if I ... been fatal':Frisch, What Little I Remember, pp.161-2.". Searches for other words yielded results that were truncated before page 278.
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because it was a bare mass of fissile material (Uranium 235), with no cladding. Pages 78 to 83 of the referenced la-13638.pdf document cover some of the history, including that of the 1952 Jemima device that preceeded Lady Godiva.
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47.Wimett, T.F., L.B.Engle, G.A.Graves, G.R.Keepin, Jr., and J.D.Orndoff. Time Behavior of Godiva Through Prompt Critical. Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory, Los Alamos, NM, LA-2029, (1956).
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48.Paxton, H.C. “Godiva, Topsy, Jezebel—Critical Assemblies at Los Alamos.” Nucleonics 13, Oct., 48–50, (1955). -
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46.Peterson, R.E., and G.A.Newby. “An Unreflected U-235 Critical Assembly.” Nucl.Sci.Eng. 1, 112–125, (1956).
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Godiva, but Jemima device. This is due to description on page, which applies much more to Jemima.
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I have updated the cites and merged the duplicate and probably confusing Frisch paragraph to
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This whole article needs to be changed and I don't know where to begin. Read Frisch's book,
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introduced the Frisch text and that had "1944". An anonymous editor changed it to 1954
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Why was it called the Godiva device? I mean the Godiva bit, not the device bit.
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Footnotes 46, 47 and 48 from the Los-Alamos document are as follows:
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