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during a single day of rigorous deletion. The important header was drastically reduced. The section that includes the Elo Rating chart ('International
Football's All-time Highest Ratings'} of the team was deleted showcasing the relative significance of the team. The biographical section of two key members of the team, Ferenc Puskas and Sandor Kocsis ('Goalscorers: Puskás and Kocsis') was deleted. The most important key game of this team with England 1953 ('Match of the Century) that had worldwide historic significance and not just for national English football was reduced to a brief paragraph. That was the soul of the article that I spent countless hours of research and writing. The second most important game of the Magyars (the 1954 WC Final) that I spent weeks writing and researching, was significantly reduced. Three charts were completely deleted.
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2189:) is a bit borring, meaning, those guys had something really special going on back than, and they were quite an artists! I think (without checking) that by now we don´t have many articles of teams for some specific period, but certainly one day articles like (just a silly exemple) will apear, and the article about Puskas, Kocsis & co. will look lost inside that tipe of titles. I rather think that this article is an exception, about generation of great footballers that stayed in the history. For me the current name works quite fine. It also contains the national disambiguational factor "
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6059:"West Germany’s first opponents were Turkey, whom they beat 4–1, while Hungary broke the tournament’s single-game goals record in demolishing South Korea 9–0. Three days later, the two winners met, with Herberger making seven changes to his XI. Unsurprisingly, West Germany soon trailed 3–1, with Werner Liebrich amusing himself by landing several boots on Puskás, who collared the Hungarian-speaking Jupp Posipal at halftime. “Tell that clumsy oaf to stop,” he chuntered, vowing to devote the remainder of the game to his humiliation should he not.
936:: Disagree with the suggestion to rename to Golden Team - this team is most frequently referred to as the "Magical Magyars", with "The Golden Team" very much a secondary reference. Purely as an exercise, go to Google and type in "Golden Team", and then by way of comparison type in "Magical Magyars". Which search returns the most references to this team? This I believe is a fair indication of how the team is most commonly referred to. I recommend we retain the name "Magical Magyars" but have a re-direct page from "The Golden Team"
1056:"Germany" to the search box, they find this at the top of the article: "This article is about the country. For other uses of terms redirecting here, see Germany (disambiguation) and Deutschland (disambiguation)." Of course the cases are not entirely similar, as there are not that many teams who are in a similar situation here. The romanian one for example seems to be not an actual competitive sports team but some sort of festival performance group, who for example did a "presentment at Callatis Festival in July 2007".
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2339:"This proud long reign of invincibility knit to semi-mythology was legendary, embedded into socio-national consciousness and ethos as a redoubt and post to which Englishmen could view with surety and confidence in spite of all forecasts, vicissitudes and the ever-changing times. Gorgeous, wonderful, and victorious English football possessed a feel of unbeatable quality and romantic neo-imperial Victorian inheritance with a direct unbroken connection to the palmiest days of the British Empire."
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and non-neutral comments, and also I removed "story-like" paragraphs for key matches, where I thought an individual page reference should be made (e.g. the
Hungary v England 1954 page). Unfortunately this seemed to offend GrandMariner, who accused me of vandalism and rolled back my changes to his original document. I suppose I'm looking for a third party to compare and let me know if I have indeed been too aggressive with my editing. I have put in a Request For Comment entry.
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this team as the
Magical Magyars. This can be validated by using any search engine. My recommendation is that the article should therefore reflect the term by which this team is most commonly known. There is a Knowledge entry for a Romanian Golden Team - so perhaps this article should be renamed Hungarian Golden Team to avoid confusion... or perhaps retain the Magical Magyars title? Obviously, in the spirit of Knowledge, I am happy to be governed by the general consensus :)
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January 2010. Although there is less raw information in it, it is more informative; much of the original rambling detail has been omitted in favor of clear and straightforward prose. The article could still do with more historical context for explaining the team's long-term impact and legacy on the game, but it is in much better shape than it was. The original text should not be restored.
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them did NOT refer to this team, which suggest to me that Golden Team may not be exclusively used with this team. Golden Team +soccer returns 12,000 results, but again the majority of the references do not seem to apply to this team. I respectfully suggest that Golden Team, whilst commonly used to refer to this team in
Hungary, is not exclusively used for this team outside of Hungary - but that Magical Magyars is.
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asked about my opinion again. In truth the
Romanian Golden Team analogy seems bogus to me, maybe that article should be renamed to Callatis Festival Group Or Marius Urzica performance group as they are not even a sports team and their activity is to perform shows at different festivals. So they shouldn't even be compared as they are not a sports team, that group entered no competitions no tournaments.
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Wikipedians. The term "Golden Team" (or their respective counterparts in other languages) on the other hand is the term used to identify the team of Puskás and co. in the most of the non-English world. From personal experience I know that in Hungarian NOBODY refers to "aranycsapat" in any other way. It's not about tabloids or sensational titles, it's about a commonly used term.
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GrandMariner) you will notice a startling similarity between the revisions. I conclude that user GrandMariner and
Mokkalatte are in fact the same. Furthermore I humbly suggest that the revisions made by Mokkalatte were not an improvement on the original article. I invite editoral review of my reversion, and am happy to abide by the decision of Knowledge editors.
411:; let me know if you have trouble with the instructions. However, I think it would be more productive if before you do that you discuss here why you each think the article should be so different. It's always best if editors involved in an article can resolve the disagreements through discussion, since usually they are the most knowledgeable about the issues.
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wrote 99.95% prior to Coopuk's arrival. In short, I've been trolled. The article has taken on less meaning and significance, and it totally gutted, hence vandalism. Coopuk has apparently taken over complete control of this article and even managed to change the name of the article from "Golden Team" to "Magical
Magyars" that has stood for 5 1/2 years.
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indicating that the term
Magical Magyars is in common usage for this team. This exercise can be repeated with search engines such as Yahoo, Bing and Ask Jeeves. The question I am asking is whether the title of the article should be something that is not specific to the subject - "Golden Team", or something which is very specific to it (Magical Magyars)
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4600:. Even those who would prefer a move couldn't agree on the best title. All I'm asking is first discuss, and — if you're a legitimate editor — propose a move only afterwards. It's pretty clear that most editors haven't read at least the earlier move proposals (threads above) and the arguments there and this "process" is just another mess.
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expression was strongly disapproved since these were considered being against both the internationalist ideal of the communist government as well as the expected behavior of the Hungarian nation defeated in World War II. In this atmosphere, international sport events were the only tolerated fields of expression of national pride.
1510:: The whole dispute seems ridiculous to me, it is probably true, that Hungarians use term Aranycsapat more frequently than Magical Magyars and it's fine if that is used on the hungarian wikipedia. However, as reliable sources prove, the term Golden Team is never used in English, except as a translation of the Hungarian term.
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article. Primary topic is the topic that most people are interested in and read. Do you have ANY evidence that there is any other primary topic for "Golden Team" than this article? (Primary topic is the article most people read under a given name, in this case it would be an article with more than 3-4000 views per month)
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917:. The conclusion is that currently team is best known as Golden Team, and the extremely small number of people who actually know it as Magical Magyars can be still redirected using the old redirect. So the original name "Golden Team" which is the name of the article for about 5-6 years should be preserved.
2635:, not sure why, Iaaasi sems to have missed the entire point of my comment donne 2 sections up. I find nothing wrong with the current title. "Magyar" means "Hungarian", so I don´t understand that argument. I clearly finished my comment with a specific question what was the most common name used in English (
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I have also checked Google Books and searched for Magical Magyars +football - 166 results, but all related to this team. A search for Magical Magyars +soccer returns 152 results, all related to this team. I also searched for Golden Team +football and got 32,500 results - unfortunately the majority of
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Appreciate the info about the Hungarians knowing it as the "Golden Team" - ties in with my early comment about the team being known as a "Magical Magyars" in the UK. My concern is that it is not clear for non-Hungarians, hence the debate as to whether the existing title or Hungarian Golden Team would
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Well, you are not certainly going to teach me that, and I gave you a response containing 2 parts, a personal one, where yes, I did expressed some subjectivness, and a incisive one, going directly to a WP principle aplied on this questions. You choosed to ignore the principle I pointed out and you got
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Can I point out that the issue is that "Golden Team" can refer to many other teams, not just this one. This fact is backed up by searches for "Golden Team" on Google Books that refer to many other teams. "Magical Maygars" only refers to this team. I really don't mind what the article is called, other
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Now you're making no sense, where did I admit that? The point that even FIFA webpage referes to this specific team (which cannot be guaranteed in the google books search results) as Magical Magyars stays. And native speakers in the discussion have supported the theses that that's the name the team is
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This made sense. West Germany were likely to lose no matter who played, and now, their key players were fresh to playoff against Turkey to decide who qualified from the group in second place. Moreover, to become champions, they would probably have to play Hungary again in the final, so it made sense
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It is a little strange to talk about reliable and unreliable sources regarding nicknames of football teams. What makes a source reliable? Are there specialists in football? For history, we have historians. We can't say that about football, so I don't understand why we use Google Books search instead
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Magical Magyars, the Marvellous Magyars, the Magnificent Magyars, Magic Magyars or the Mighty Magyars are also used in English, but that applies to all of them, so I think highlighting one of those names wouldn't exactly make the lead cleaner. Moreover, the Magyars versions are less used than Golden
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the most appropriate name as it is the only team widely referred to in English literature by that name. The name "golden team" is used in English, but only sporadically. However, I don't know of any other notable "Golden Team" (capital letters) that is widely referred to in English by that name. The
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I stand by my edits and invite independent editorial review of them. This has already been done once - please see the history of this on this talk page. As stated them, my edits were to remove peacock phrasing and verbosity. However, I will be happy to abide by the opinion of the Knowledge editorial
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to contribute from Hungary. Your IP however seems to be located in San Diego, CA, so unless it's a proxy address, chances are that you can successfully apply for a request to have your account unblocked. You could tell them that you were (wrongly) accused of being a sockpuppet and tell them to check
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tried to have me barred, fabricating a story that I was a suspected sock-puppet of a Hungarian user. I have thus been cleared by an administrator but my old username no longer works as OliverTwist88 and GrandMariner. It is very clear Iaaasi and Coopuk do not want me to have access to the article I
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As a matter of fact I did, did you bother to exclude the books written by Hungarian authors and all those where it is used in quotation marks (i.e. only approximation of the Hungarian term, often even without initials capitalization)? Also, please note that the number of results on the first page is
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Over the course of a few weeks, this article has been vandalized, its contents reduced 90% by outside editors, namely Cooptuk. Outside Knowledge arbitration is needed to preserve the integrity and contents of this article. Verifiable references will be furnished. I appeal to Knowledge managers to
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Nobody forced Hungarians to support Nazi Germany, which killed 20m of Russian and Soviet people. Nowadays nationalism is pushed everywhere from USA and Hungary to Russia, everyone becomes obsessed with "national pride". But this brings nothing good to this world, only increasing the chances that the
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Er, excuse me, under "Key people" it says "Between 1950 and 1956, the team suffered no defeats, recording 42 victories and 7 draws." On 4 July 1954 they lost the one match they shouldn't have: the Battle of Bern, i.e. the World Cup Final, which is mentioned in detail further down. I suggest someone
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I can only speak from personal experience, but when discussing this with my colleagues and fellow football fans in the UK, they all know who the "Magical Magyars" are, but they don't know who the "Golden Team" are. I suspect that this may be a UK thing, and that the rest of Europe knows them as the
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I on the other hands don't see any logic in your arguments in support of this change. Where have you seen the usage of "Hungary national football team of the 1950s" (which's even grammatically incorrect) in connection with the "Golden Team"? According to your logic we could name the article "11 men
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The proposed title's not only meaningless, but quite nonsensical as well. Obviously Iaaasi has only started this new proposal because he didn't like/accept the results of the last vote. I don't think this whole proposal serves any other purpose than renaming the article only because Iaaasi "doesn't
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I have been following this controversy loosely since January 2010, when OliverTwist88 came to IRC to ask for help with edit warring. I have never made an edit to the article and never commented on it to this point, so I consider myself a reasonably independent observer. The article in its current
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Oh well. I think you shouldn't mix Coopuk into this. I'm not sure about his intentions, but he might be willing to engage in a discussion and come to an agreement. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case with Iaaasi. In fact I'm tempted to say that his efforts to have you blocked has nothing
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There was an allegation that the team is most known as "Magical Magyars", this would mean that most people who come to Knowledge put that term into the search box, and end up at the Golden Team article via the redirect. We can fortunately assess, how many people used the Magical Magyars redirect in
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Previous request was not really explained in it's reasons, and there was no time given for proper discussion. The article had the previous title for many years and with good reason, it is the name that this team is known under. There was no evidence provided that the alternative name is widely used
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And these just in the lede section! It continues through the entire article, with phrases like "intellectual firepower", a player referred to as a "deep-lying free trading entrepreneur", something about "event horizons" and barely intelligible sentences like "a total cohesive solution with contours
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Hi Mike, thanks for taking the time to respond. I originally started editing this article for two reasons; one, I have an interest in football, and two, it was originally flagged by Knowledge as being non-neutral and being too long. My edits removed a great deal of what I considered to be verbosity
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I understand that there are different methods for searching on Google Books and I know that Golden Team results in more than 400000 hits, so adding "Hungary" makes it easier to sort it out. That doesn't mean that Magical Magyars with its around 15000 hits would give more or better results. (Not to
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In the New York Mets example, the article is part of a series, one for each Met's season. So a name like "Hungary national football team of the 1950s" implies a similar series: "Hungary national football team of the 1960s," "Hungary national football team of the 1970s", etc. But it does not appear
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number of views. Golden Team meaning this article is clearly the primary topic for "Golden Team". But we don't have to invent anything the same issue comes up with many places over wikipedia. Let's see how it is handled, let's see an example : Germany has a thousand meanings, when someone types in
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I understand your point and argument, and appreciate that the viewing stats at this moment indicate that the most common search term on Knowledge are for "Golden Team". However - I re-iterate my argument, which no-one has answered - that the general number of articles outside of Knowledge refer to
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I certainly intend no offense to the author of this prior version, but the majority of it reads like a non-fiction storybook about the team rather than an encyclopaedia article. Care should be taken to make sure that relevant information from the prior version is included in the new version, but I
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Well... I stand corrected, seems like "cynical foul" is a BE term after all. The cynical foul comment for the Semi-final is sourced, so that's fine. The cynical foul comment for the pre-rounds is not sourced, thus personal opinion of the writer. Find a credible source. Taking it back out for now.
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As an example search, simply go to Google (www.google.com), and firstly type in the words Golden Team. Note how many of the returned links are associated with this team. Now repeat the same exercise, but use the word Magical Magyars. You should see a significant difference in the number of links,
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It was also considered emblematic of Hungarian national success and the most important subject of national pride in the worst period of oppression by the communist regime imposed on Hungary by the Soviet Union that occupied the country in 1945. In this period any "nationalistic" or even patriotic
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Still supporting the "Golden Team" as it was the status quo ante for many years. I prefer "Golden Team" To Hungarian Golden Team and I prefer Hungarian Golden Team to Magical Magyars. Evidence of how widely each one is used was provided above by a few people. I have to note it again, since I was
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There is already a redirect from Golden Team, the original name to this article. As the above evidence shows close to nobody looking for this article under Magical Magyars. And even if someone does he can use the redirect of Magical Magyars to Golden Team. Golden Team is the primary topic of the
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Based on the above statement, my feeling is to retain the existing "Magical Magyars" title for the article, but to make "Golden Team" the first of the multiple leads. I appreciate that there are extremely strong opinions about this which I suspect will never be satisfactorily resolved; however,
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I began this article in December 2005, and it was 90% completed in February. On January 23 2010, an outside editor Coopuk within a single day's worth of edits managed to reduce 5 years of my work down to a rump distilled uninspired article of his own choosing. 70% of the article was wiped out
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Just to add, the entire section (in the prior version) on the two goalscorers is incredibly excessive; its size alone is bigger than some full biographies I've seen. That information should be split and put in biographical articles about the relevant players, it's far too long to be in the more
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It seems that about 70% of the total article content was wiped out in a single edit. I read back this talk page but found no discussion or consensus for wiping out anything close to 70% of the article. I can't really imagine any case where this is appropriate other than the mass deleted/blanked
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Puskás, though, was on one. “I could feel the ball as a violinist feels his instrument,” he later wrote. “I played like a bird on the wing.” A bird on the wing with a lot of chirp, and following 10 minutes of goading, Liebrich packed him off down the tunnel with a hairline fracture of the left
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Can I point out that I have restored the article to its last "good" revision before the multiple edits by user Mokalatte (who is currently blocked). If you compare his last revisions (22:13, 4 September 2012 Mokkalatte) to the revision last made by user GrandMariner ( 03:15, 19 February 2011
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I note with interest that all checks on the search engine are qualified with +Hungary. Assuming I am someone looking for this on, say, Google, and I enter just "Magical Magyars" or "Golden Team". No qualification for +Hungary in the search. Which one gives the most valid results for this team?
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If you read the previous history of this talk page, I have also requested independent review of this article. This was done and the version that is in in existence now was preferred. Most of the editing has been done to remove peacock phrasing (previous discussion on this page covers this), to
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If you read the previous history of this talk page, I have also requested independent review of this article. This was done and the version that is in in existence now was preferred. Most of the editing has been done to remove peacock phrasing (previous discussion on this page covers this), to
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Having reviewed the previous (120K!) version of the page, I agree with Coopuk that a full rewrite was necessary. The original article was excessively verbose, making use of poetic and flowery vocabulary far removed from the expected encyclopaedic voice. The vast majority was also unsourced and
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Yes please - I would like the editors to review my edits and to make a call on whether it is "vandalism" or just judicious editing to remove verbosity, pomposity and peacock phrasing. GrandMariner seems to be regarding this page as his own personal property, in that he alone is allowed to make
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The article states that "Between 1950 and 1956, the team played 69 games, recorded 58 victories, 10 draws and is generally considered to have suffered only one defeat, in the 1954 World Cup final against West Germany." but several sources pointed out that they lost a friendly against the
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summarise an extremely verbose article (again addressed earlier in this talk page) and to direct the reader to individual pages for key players and games, such as Puskas, Kocsis, and the 1953 game with England. As always, I am happy to abide by the opinion of independent editoral review.
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summarise an extremely verbose article (again addressed earlier in this talk page) and to direct the reader to individual pages for key players and games, such as Puskas, Kocsis, and the 1953 game with England. As always, I am happy to abide by the opinion of independent editoral review.
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Can't you understand that an encyclopedia is meant to allow for people to search for the knowledge they seek as easily as they can? And what do you think how do you people search for knowledge? They use the terms they're familiar with. The term "Magical Magyars" seems to ring a bell for
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initiated by banned user and therefore null and void. I will comment if a member of the community starts a similar proposal say a few weeks from now, but banned users are not members of the community and thus have no right to start any proposals or even comment on this talk page.
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not to waste the rarity of a victory on the group stages. And, in the meantime, Herberger gave Liebrich and Rahn a game — they had not yet featured — while various understudies tired out a Hungarian side about which he could learn without affording Sebes the same opportunity."
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is still more used. Iaaasi´s last proposition is not used at all. Guys, this is an exceptional aticle about one great football generation, and not a statistical article about the Hungarian NT in the 1950s (there is a big difference Iaaasi). All we can do is, again, check
1950:<-- Incorrect, Puskas did not return to Hungary in 1956 during the heyday of the Hungarian Revolution, he and the team left he country past agreeable Hungarian revolutionary border guards, he first went to Austria, then Italy, he only emigrated to Spain in 1958.
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The difference in references is three times more English hits for "Golden Team" than "Magical Magyars". It's funny how you ignore all the American/British references using the term "Golden Team". I mean, now that you at least took a look at the Google Books hits.
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Argh. Not again. Either of the "Magyars" suggestions would be vastly better than the proposed disambiguated term because, as noted, they're far more commonly used to refer to the subject by English language sources than are "Golden Team" or variations thereof.
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apply but it doesn't. The primary and most recognized meaning of Golden Team this is exactly this. Once you there is a legitimate 'golden team' that's mentioned as such in most of the sources it is possible to move that Golden Team to the golden team title.
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Definitely Golden Team. Adding Hungary only helps to sort it out. Besides, Magical Magyars is not even an exclusive nickname with the "Magyars" tag. You could also argue for Mighty Magyars or Marvellous Magyars based on that. I'm not against moving it to
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to do with this article at all. He's simply a disruptive editor who's keen on attacking editors who edit articles related to Hungary or Hungarians. You might've become a victim of this campaign of his. IIRC the Hungarian user Iaaasi was so hung up on was
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proposed renaming due to the choice of title. My personal preference would be for a Magyars variation, but if we're leaning towards "Golden Team" on common name grounds, I'd only go along with it if anything other than those two words is in brackets.
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French: Onze d'or hongrois Italian: Squadra d'oro Hungarian: Aranycsapat Dutch: Magische Magyaren Japanese: マジック・マジャール Polish: Złota jedenastka Portuguese: O Time de Ouro Russian: Золотая команда Serbian: Златних једанаест Finnish: Kultainen joukkue
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team should they choose to revert back to your version - do you want me to refer this article for review again? With regards to your comments on the article: I am happy to make the corrections you have suggested, albeit in phrasing that is legible :)
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seems to think using "cynical" is quite OK since he undid my deletion of that term. What do others think? If this is supposed to be an objective (as much as possible) article, then let's delete these agenda terms and editorial terms like "cynical".
1666:, while another page lists half of the term in lower caps and I won't start checking the reliability of each hit as I know that no matter how we count it, more works written in English refer to it as Golden Team than as Magical Magyars. That's it.
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Your first page also includes two "books" which list wikipedia as their source, two which list it in lower caps and in quotation marks and one which refers to it explicitly only as translation of the Hungarian Aranycsapat. How reliable is the rest
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be better. Interestingly enough my search for Golden Team threw up far fewer valid results - there are an awful lot of result that had zero relevance to the team, whilst the "Magical Maygars" search produced results solely relevant to the team.
4965:. Just show me a good enough reason. At this point it seems to me that even a link at the top of this article to a disambiguation page is barely worth it, not to mention (mis)leading the reader to a disambiguation page as the number one option.
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In the immediate term, it made no difference, as a final score of 8–3 fairly reflected the balance of play. “It was quite obvious that only one team could win the world championship,” said Horst Eckel, the West German wing half, “and that was
5044:: Hi there, i think it's quite controversial to write that Hidegkuti was managing succesfully in Poland. He was coach of first division Stal Rzeszow for 6 months and was relegated. It was only once when he was coach in our country. Regards,
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Then start a new WP:RM if you want to, the current one has just been finished. Regardless of the title "Golden Team" would have redirected to this page anyway. There's no other team that is widely referred to by that name (with high caps).
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I don't get it. What's your problem with calling the all-time best Hungarian football team the "Hungarian Golden Team" (well, besides the fact that you don't like it)? You think that a "Golden Team" can only be of Romanian origin or what?
1519:. That Hungarian users search more for the literal translation of the term they know the team under provides no case for the move, as Golden Team it is not used in English and thus should NOT be used for an article title as per WP:TITLE.
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What seems clear to me is that you're trying to derail a discussion which isn't going your way by wikilawyering over the motivations of the original nominator. I'd stop doing that if I were you. There's obviously some support for a move.
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I'm going to get true independent editorial review, and last I heard many editors also voiced their opinion that your massive deletion of content was excessive to say the least. Expect the article to return to its original form soon.
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5437:. I don't think Germans use phrases like "our team faced the Golden Team in the WC final". They rather say "our team faced the Hungarian Golden Team in the WC final" or "our team faced the Golden Team of Hungary in the WC final".
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the IPs you've used for access. Since it's likely for you to have caught up in a crossfire between Iaaasi and some other users (and that Iaaasi has "bended the truth" numerous times), you application has a great chance of success.
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This once again only confirms that this renaming proposal is completely pointless. I mean that's fine if "Magical Magyars" is a redirect to "Golden Team" (maybe even vice versa), but introducing a third, unused term? What for?
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If you are suggesting that the article should be renamed Hungarian Golden Team as per your search then I am content... but just Golden Team is not enough, as that could reference many things and teams not related to Hungary.
5426:(a direct translation) and it is natural for Hungarians to use uppercase A, because it is self-implied that they refer to their own team (like humans use Moon to name the moon of Earth). Frequently, in english there is used
5163:– As I see, there were in the past hot discussions on the naming issue, with many users involved and several title proposals. The article was retitled a couple of times during history. I will pick some previous arguments
1480:. This "Magical Magyars" thing doesn't really appeal to me mostly due to the fact that I've never heard of it before. Golden Team on the other hand almost instantly reminds me of the legendary football team of the 1950s.
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re.the suggestion to link Hungary National Football Team here - I think a link within the Hungary National Football Team article to this article would be useful. Assuming the move is approved I will add a link afterwards.
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I'll have to let another admin close this RM, as I'm going to "involve" myself by expressing an opinion below. And I think that's the best process... You've raised a new RM, and it should be asssessed and closed in due
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than "Golden Team" which is too generic (outside of Hungary at least). If we must have "Golden Team" in it, then "Hungarian Golden Team" works for me - but I think "Magical Magyars" is better for the casual browser.
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This is actually a gathering of opinions weather how this article should be titled to see what would other editors think in case of an eventual move request, right Iaaasi? Anyway, what are all the possible options?
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Not about this proposed move, as such, but just noting that the pro wrestling tag team is its proper name. Wrestling tag teams and factions are given names like rock bands, so that's at it's correct name already.
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Nobody said that "Magical Magyars" is not used. If you have a better (that means more professional) way than Google Books to decide the most appropriate title, then bring it. Until that let's work with what we
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Without wishing to offend the author of the original article, I do not believe it satisfied any of the above criteria. To quote briefly from the original revision that the original author wishes to revert to:
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There were at least 4 contributors that agreed with "Hungarian Golden Team" (Andrewa, Coopuk, Tim Pierce, Kauffner). Also partly FkpCascais ("Hungarian Golden Team also sounds like a reasonable proposal").
4201:(note capitalization), or possibly at "Golden teams", without moving this article anywhere. So this article should be put at whatever the common name for this team is -- without fretting about other teams.
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that identifies the team. I don't see any book source that gives this sort of treatment to other teams. And see how many use quotes around the name "Golden team", to distinguish it as a proper name.
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I note with sadness that my previous editorial work has been removed and the previous wording - similiar in style to that of GrandMariner - re-instated. I have referred this for moderation. Again.
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Your intro includes all the versions as well, what exactly is different about your version in this regard? You include all the articles as well, which adds to the mess rather than cleaning it up.
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known under in the English speaking world. Don't see why we should change the status quo when the difference in references is microscopic and there are other arguments supporting no-move option.
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As I said before, your arguments were highly subjective. These kind of motivation: "this title is boring" or "those guys were artists" are not consistent at all. This is an encyclopedia, not a
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I have seen several postings stating that my edits are vandalism. I would invite all reviewers of this article to consider the current version, and then compare against the version I edited:
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I've never come across the term "Golden Team" to describe this Hungarian side, it's always been "Magnificent Magyars". Is it possible that "Golden Team" shouldn't be in the title at all?
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The difference in ghits between "puskas golden team" and "puskas magyars" is two orders of magnitude in favour of the latter. All of the "Magyars" names are also plainly unambiguous.
5333:(edit conflict, I changed my post a bit) "golden team" is a general expression that can refer to any outstanding team, so it's going to appear many times in other contexts. Look at
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Regardless of date and times of retracting, my preference would not be for Golden Team - still, if the general feeling is that it is the preferred title for the article, so be it.
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literally meaning Golden Team or Gold Squad. The Golden Team designation was applied after they won the 1952 Olympics in football. In Europe, these are the names the team goes by:
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5100:) 19:39, 16 March 2012 (UTC) Sorry, of course it was not the Battle of Bern that they lost, but the Miracle of Bern. But they lost one match between 1950 and 1956 all the same.
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Please do not decry my vote. This team was the first internationally recognized "Golden Team". I can understand that somebody does not like it, however this is historical fact.
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where multiple names are in boldface. However, it is up to consensus to decide the additional names, if any at all, by which the subject is also commonly known. Knowledge is
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Your arguments are highly subjective. These kind of motivation: "this title is boring" or "those guys were artists" are not consistent at all. This is an encyclopedia, not a
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I don't know how much you realize this, or how much this even counts, but Hungarians all over the world know this team exclusively as "Golden Team", not by any other name.
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I need administrator help in restoring the full faith and credit of the article before sheer vandalism wiped out 70-75% of the article. Thank you for your attention.
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I would like the article renamed to the Magical Magyars - the current title of "golden team" can be used to refer to any "golden team" of any country, or of any era.
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are the nickname for the team in the English speaking world, it was applied after the 'Match of the Century' with England in 1953. In Hungary they are known as the
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Well, it is not that simple. It is editors here that should have consensus first on the exact title, and then an admin can move it. Chris, are you proposing
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is inaccurate because the team was broken up after the 1956 revolution. This article is referring to the period between 1949 and 1956, not 1957, 58 or 59.
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with the power to do so correct that mistake. How it could have happened is completely beyond me, forgetting the most important match they ever played.
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OK I went to www.google.com and I ask the admin to move back the article to the original title per the results. The results are as follows:
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new major war could be started and an exhausting arms race. Karl Marx was very correct that internationalism is better than nationalism.
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from Hungary in the 1950s" or "Hungarian football players from the 1950s" etc. Your proposal just simply makes no sense whatsoever.
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Please try to focus, neither "puskas golden team" nor "puskas magyars" are viable options.
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of players equally sharing in the ball's propagation". I'd hazard a guess that a good 50%
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move - simple google search show that term "Golden Team" can be used for various things:
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would only encourage him in this behavior. I'll start a new thread on the naming issue.
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This title is formal, neutral and encyclopedic. A similar case is the article about the
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I have reviewed some viewership data on the number of people searching for and viewing
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I don't think that by picking any other name you could reach a similarly clean intro.
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Even if there were a consensus, until the article is moved, your lead is simply wrong.
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The votes above are definitely leaning towards the more widely used term, Golden Team.
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disambiguator needed? There are no other "Golden Team of Hungary" articles..... --
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What I was trying to say is this: if we change the longstanding title, I think that
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We've been dealing with this banned editor for a while, so thanks for the lecture.
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only an approximation, go to the last page and see that there are no more than 70.
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the legendary Hungarian soccer team of the early 1950s, the so called "Golden Team
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I have fixed a link, and added FIFA to the final links to bypass a redirect also.
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I will be happy to abide by the decision of independent editorial review on this.
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refer to this team, so in most cases these two words are used in another context.
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Please show me extensive uses of Golden Team in English for other teams, because
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I have requested that this page be semi-protected until this issue is resolved.
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Agree with Ilikeeatingwaffles. This team is far better known in English as the
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3113:. Frankly I don't see how this stub would warrant a disambiguation page anyway.
1313:. This seems a good way forward to me, and is consistent with the treatment of
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Here is a match report. The word cynical is not used the next few paragraphs.
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revisions. I will request that the page be protected until this is resolved.
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Why meaningless? Why nonsensical? I don't understand why you use this terms(
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Study: Germany 1954 World Cup winners 'were doped' by brutal ww2 war doping
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You can see non-Hungarian books giving the team's name as "Golden Team": "
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banned editor created a disambiguation page because of the barely notable
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no other "Golden Team of Hungary" articles, but... there is more than one
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The wording of "Hungary". It has to be either "Hungary's" or "Hungarian".
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I want administrators to look at my version of this article located here:
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Hungary national football team#The Golden Team (aka The Magical Magyars)
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However, you are quick to make accusations against me. The result was
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The subject of the article is the Hungarian football team of the 1950s
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A general article about the "golden team" nickname can be created at
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like" the Golden Team/Hungarian Golden Team/Golden Team of Hungary.
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Hungarian Golden Team: 4 ( Andrewa, Kauffner, Tim Pierce, CoolKoon)
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal.
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The "Black Sox" season of the Chicago White Sox is formally named
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Community banned editor's comments will be removed, please stop.
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is a banned editor, I don't think his vote counts here any longer
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The subject of this artice is "Magical Magyars" not "Golden Team"
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This doping drug was developed for german assault squads in ww2
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Golden Team: 4 (Fakirbakir, Hobartimus, Squash Racket, CoolKoon)
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a pseudo-lectural attitude. Please avoid such attitudes on WP.
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Requested move: Formal template to rename to Magical Magyars
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pay close attention and monitor activities on this article.
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Article receiving vandalism, editorial arbitration is needed
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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that the creation of such a series is being contemplated.
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You didn't bother to check at least Google Books with its
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What is grammatically incorrect here if you don't mind? (
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The result of the move request was: move to Golden Team.
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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a
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a disambiguation page would then also need ot be built.
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The Romanian Golden Team is barely notable, a link to
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For the Mighty Magyars.jpg it would be nice to have a
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5335:"golden team" books that don't mention Hungary's team
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Requested move to Golden Team of Hungary (football)
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mention "Mighty Magyars" or the other derivations.)
1935:<-- Incorrect, that record is from 1950 to 1956.
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5360:) (...) Hungary's Golden Team of the 1950s (...)
5011:Ambiguity would be a problem if I'd see several
4909:Team based on Google Books results (search term
2435:1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team
2066:1992 United States men's Olympic basketball team
1623:It's three times if you do the search properly:
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5342:(...) after the Golden Team broke in 1956 (...)
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2383:The result of the move request was: not moved.
2291:I've opened a RFM discussion on this proposal (
5917:This message was posted before February 2018.
5801:This message was posted before February 2018.
5260:article for the general term, "t" versus "T").
5238:. Sweden'94 is sourced to one football website
4781:the procedure itself as it was initiated by a
3452:No, there is no consensus on Golden Team, it's
910:March prior to 14th when the article was moved
5422:is the English version of the Hungarian name
5269:: if you remove the Hungary-related results,
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5050:comment added 10:43, 11 November 2011 (UTC).
3782:you had retracted your original preference.
3475:No, it doesn't help readability at all, but
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2096:German: Goldene Elf Spanish: Equipo de oro
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2060:, but my opinion is that the best title is
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4720:Golden Team of Hungary, 1952 (water polo)
4221:, I agree with User:Kauffner's reasoning.
3109:generally brings results OTHER than this
5352:Aranycsapat (Golden Team) was (...) the
5256:(Kauffner suggested creating a separate
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1948:Puskas remained in Hungary until 1958...
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5990:"Cynical" Fouls = Editorial/Agenda Term
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5496:: This discussion has been included in
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2933:The Dream Team (professional wrestling)
2916:The Dream Team (professional wrestling)
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5909:http://www.sportmuzeum.hu/aranycsapat
3555:I don't waste my time here any more.
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2786:Hungary National Football Golden team
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5265:Another indication that this is the
5137:The result of the move request was:
3509:There is a concensus to move it back
1452:Hungary "Magical Magyars" -Knowledge
980:Placeholder for my reply for later.
639:The result of the move request was:
558:general article on the team itself.
200:This article is within the scope of
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4897:for which I haven't found a single
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2056:I would not be against the move to
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430:content was straight up vandalism.
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4287:entries need trimming or removing.
3550:WP:BOLDTITLE as you very well know
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4916:The current lead reads like this:
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3840:At this point I would agree with
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5087:No defeats between 1950 and 1956
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1782:I Call for Continued Arbitration
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5781:Added archive {newarchive} to
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4949:Hungary national football team
4555:shows no prior case involving
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2861:for them in English sources.
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545:01:37, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
459:15:26, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
440:15:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
425:15:06, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
402:10:29, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
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223:Template:WikiProject Football
214:and see a list of open tasks.
115:Knowledge:WikiProject Hungary
109:and see a list of open tasks.
6192:Start-Class Hungary articles
5985:19:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC)
5869:12:09, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
5659:21:07, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
5576:Golden Team (disambiguation)
5080:01:03, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
5025:16:15, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
4997:18:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
4978:13:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
4863:17:51, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
4841:13:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
4824:12:52, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
4799:12:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
4785:and closing this instead of
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4694:17:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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4453:: "User:Fraere" seems to be
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2541:Italy national football team
1741:Golden Team (disambiguation)
1284:the DAB would go instead to
1277:Golden Team (disambiguation)
118:Template:WikiProject Hungary
5593:Restore last good revision?
5568:to reactivate your request.
5556:has been answered. Set the
5384:Central European University
5223:has lots of results, while
4417:for "Magnificent Magyars".
4413:for "Magical Magyars", and
3907:to reactivate your request.
3895:has been answered. Set the
3353:If you support the move to
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195:Association football portal
6233:
6167:"FRIENDLIES 1952 - Europe"
6149:"INTERNATIONAL FRIENDLIES"
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5948:(last update: 5 June 2024)
5878:Hello fellow Wikipedians,
5832:(last update: 5 June 2024)
5793:http://www.eloratings.net/
5762:Hello fellow Wikipedians,
5110:12:02, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
4591:He himself acknowledged it
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595:Rename to Magical Magyars?
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246:project's importance scale
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4787:removing the whole thread
4707:" and this page would be
3955:1954 FIFA World Cup Final
3630:which is also known as a
3628:Rawlings Gold Glove Award
3334:is more appropriate than
2890:1969 New York Mets season
2201:in English for the team?
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5356:(...) the Golden Team (
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5303:"Hungarian golden team"
5300:"Hungarian golden team"
5283:09:56, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
5207:08:23, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
5185:could be redirected to
4705:Golden teams of Hungary
4455:Romanian banned editor
4166:Encyclopaedia Hungarica
2935:should all be renamed.
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4783:Romanian banned editor
4465:Please also note this.
4117:golden team of hungary
4095:Golden Team of Hungary
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2929:Philippines Dream Team
2910:Philippines Dream Team
2025:Note for 24.25.218.135
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1112:"Golden Team" +Hungary
315:Anti-Soviet propaganda
28:This article is rated
5307:Hungary's golden team
5161:Hungarian Golden Team
5006:"Golden Team" Hungary
4963:Golden Team (Hungary)
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4157:Hungary's golden team
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3610:third opinion request
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3378:I prefer that intro:
3355:Golden Team (Hungary)
3336:Hungarian Golden Team
3332:Golden Team (Hungary)
3295:I agree with Coopuk.
3218:Golden Team (Hungary)
3118:Golden Team (Hungary)
3107:"Golden Team" Romania
2975:the following section
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1733:NOTE to closing admin
1614:Really? Three times?
1478:Hungarian Golden Team
1350:Hungarian Golden Team
1338:Hungarian Golden Team
1310:Hungarian Golden Team
1261:Hungarian Golden Team
5929:regular verification
5813:regular verification
5498:WikiProject Football
5217:Romanian Golden Team
4931:; also known as the
4895:Romanian Golden Team
3913:This pages links to
2820:Romanian Golden Team
2818:The comparison with
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6031:1954 FIFA World Cup
5919:After February 2018
5803:After February 2018
4941:Magnificent Magyars
4883:On the naming issue
4119:; Water polo, 1952
3919:1954 FIFA World Cup
3427:there's a concensus
2906:On the other hand:
2610:Republic of Ireland
1918:"extremely verbose"
1202:I get 49,800 ghits
1014:ELF Cup#Golden Team
710:be linked to here??
602:Thoughts/comments?
98:WikiProject Hungary
5973:InternetArchiveBot
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5857:InternetArchiveBot
5808:InternetArchiveBot
5739:Turkey 3-1 Hungary
4937:Marvellous Magyars
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5073:
5069:
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5018:
5017:Squash Racket
5014:
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5007:
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5000:
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4991:
4987:
4986:
4985:
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4979:
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4970:Squash Racket
4967:
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4960:
4959:
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4951:of the 1950s.
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4833:Squash Racket
4830:
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4816:Squash Racket
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4791:Squash Racket
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4756:Squash Racket
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4686:Millertime246
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4657:Squash Racket
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4631:
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4607:
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4602:Squash Racket
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4578:
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4562:
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4534:
4533:Squash Racket
4530:
4527:
4523:
4522:NOTE to admin
4517:
4514:
4512:
4506:
4503:
4500:
4498:
4494:
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4486:
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4482:
4478:
4474:
4473:Squash Racket
4470:
4469:
4466:
4463:
4459:
4458:
4452:
4451:NOTE to admin
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4161:UEFA calls it
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3906:
3903:parameter to
3894:
3890:
3883:
3882:
3876:
3874:
3873:
3869:
3865:
3864:Squash Racket
3855:
3851:
3847:
3843:
3839:
3838:
3837:
3833:
3829:
3825:
3807:
3803:
3799:
3795:
3794:
3793:
3789:
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3784:Squash Racket
3781:
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3775:
3774:
3773:
3769:
3765:
3761:
3758:
3755:
3754:
3753:
3749:
3745:
3744:Squash Racket
3741:
3738:
3733:
3730:
3725:
3724:
3723:
3719:
3715:
3711:
3710:
3709:
3705:
3701:
3700:Squash Racket
3698:
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3692:
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3684:
3683:
3682:
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3674:
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3585:
3581:
3577:
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3570:
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3562:
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3557:Squash Racket
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3533:
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3527:
3524:
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3435:Squash Racket
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3428:
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3419:
3415:
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3407:
3403:
3400:
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3388:Squash Racket
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3356:
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3340:Squash Racket
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3310:
3306:
3302:
3298:
3294:
3293:
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3279:
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3183:Squash Racket
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6072:Der Spiegel
5883:Golden Team
5767:Golden Team
5625:—Tim Pierce
5580:Enric Naval
5453:Enric Naval
5428:golden team
5424:Aranycsapat
5420:Golden Team
5407:Enric Naval
5367:proper name
5358:Aranycsapat
5275:Enric Naval
5258:Golden team
5234:Wonder Team
5183:Golden Team
5157:Golden Team
5046:—Preceding
4929:Aranycsapat
4921:Golden Team
4890:Golden Team
4888:I consider
4809:User:Iaaasi
4557:User:Fraere
4526:User:Iaaasi
4457:User:Iaaasi
4199:Golden team
4042:- per nom.
4027:65.94.77.11
3998:Vegaswikian
3846:—Tim Pierce
3714:Wladthemlat
3687:Golden Team
3626:article on
3576:Wladthemlat
3532:User:Coopuk
3520:User:Iaaasi
3513:Golden Team
3481:Wladthemlat
3410:Wladthemlat
3301:Golden Team
3097:Golden Team
2937:—Tim Pierce
2824:Golden Team
2784:What about
2772:—Tim Pierce
2742:—Tim Pierce
2713:—Tim Pierce
2709:Golden Team
2584:—Tim Pierce
2545:—Tim Pierce
2275:Golden Team
2158:Golden Team
2103:—Preceding
2090:Aranycsapat
2012:—Tim Pierce
1962:—Preceding
1878:Golden Team
1826:—Preceding
1650:Wladthemlat
1587:Wladthemlat
1558:Wladthemlat
1521:Wladthemlat
1508:Oppose BOTH
1473:Golden Team
1408:Golden Team
1354:—Tim Pierce
1346:Golden Team
1287:Golden Team
1282:Golden Team
1044:Golden Team
835:Golden Team
659:Golden Team
290:(2005–2010)
30:Start-class
6186:Categories
6135:eufootball
6118:References
6085:End Quote
6076:The Ringer
5980:Report bug
5864:Report bug
5611:Fakirbakir
5558:|answered=
5354:Aranycspat
5195:Sweden '94
5191:France '98
4903:in English
4855:Hobartimus
4736:Fakirbakir
4630:Fakirbakir
4289:Dwanyewest
4244:Fakirbakir
4224:Fakirbakir
4111:There are
4099:FkpCascais
4097:as title?
4061:(football)
4044:FkpCascais
3897:|answered=
3828:Hobartimus
3632:Gold Glove
2979:Hobartimus
2923:Moreover,
2863:FkpCascais
2676:FkpCascais
2641:FkpCascais
2239:FkpCascais
2203:FkpCascais
2126:FkpCascais
2098:eo:Orteamo
1883:Fakirbakir
1431:Hobartimus
1369:canvassing
1205:vs 13,400
1120:Hobartimus
1058:Hobartimus
982:Hobartimus
953:Hobartimus
919:Hobartimus
886:Fakirbakir
848:Hobartimus
641:page moved
432:Hobartimus
6067:Hungary.”
5963:this tool
5956:this tool
5847:this tool
5840:this tool
5139:not moved
4943:, or the
4925:Hungarian
4807:I remove
4113:currently
3996:to move.
3640:consensus
2955:oknazevad
1853:confirmed
343:Some tips
287:Archive 1
5969:Cheers.—
5853:Cheers.—
5721:unsigned
5143:JHunterJ
5076:contribs
5064:unsigned
4511:PANONIAN
4419:Kauffner
4323:Kauffner
4203:Kauffner
4171:Kauffner
3624:baseball
3477:violates
3255:contribs
3243:unsigned
3048:Kauffner
2806:CoolKoon
2756:CoolKoon
2728:CoolKoon
2691:CoolKoon
2578:, using
2519:CoolKoon
2490:CoolKoon
2458:CoolKoon
2385:Kotniski
2105:unsigned
2039:CoolKoon
1964:unsigned
1875:move to
1858:CoolKoon
1851:who was
1849:Stubes99
1828:unsigned
1497:contribs
1489:CoolKoon
1485:unsigned
1470:move to
1455:Kauffner
1405:move to
1336:move to
1307:move to
1258:move to
907:February
729:WP:TITLE
523:at least
273:Archives
217:Football
164:Football
5887:my edit
5771:my edit
5386:Press "
5350:, "The
5291:, only
5048:undated
5013:notable
4701:Support
4682:Support
4502:Support
4359:Comment
4342:Comment
4125:, 1976.
4122:, 1973
4040:Support
4023:Support
3925:Sellyme
3644:Bagumba
2950:Comment
2880:Comment
2568:Support
2543:, etc.
2431:Support
2193:". The
1873:Support
1468:Support
1444:Support
1426:Support
1403:Support
1388:Andrewa
1373:Andrewa
1344:. The
1334:Support
1305:Support
1292:Andrewa
1256:Support
1210:Andrewa
1165:course.
1018:Andrewa
904:January
899:Support
879:Support
866:Andrewa
862:Comment
747:Comment
725:Support
700:Support
683:Comment
645:Andrewa
421:library
327:QuestPC
244:on the
139:on the
112:Hungary
103:Hungary
59:Hungary
6087:Daxion
6063:ankle.
5996:Daxion
5678:Coopuk
5651:Coopuk
5640:Coopuk
5599:Coopuk
5509:JAMMMY
4939:, the
4935:, the
4850:Oppose
4779:Oppose
4574:Oranje
4559:, and
4488:Oppose
4436:Fraere
4405:I get
4372:Number
4309:Fraere
4281:Oppose
4260:Fraere
4219:Oppose
4153:Oppose
4135:Oranje
4081:Fraere
4009:Fraere
3959:Coopuk
3798:Coopuk
3764:Coopuk
3665:Coopuk
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2633:Oppose
2572:Iaaasi
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2439:Iaaasi
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2345:Coopuk
2293:Iaaasi
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2221:Iaaasi
2191:Magyar
2162:Iaaasi
2070:Iaaasi
2035:Iaaasi
1992:Coopuk
1900:Coopuk
1812:Iaaasi
1797:Coopuk
1683:Coopuk
1664:itself
1648:then?.
1386:Done.
1321:Coopuk
1242:Coopuk
1093:Coopuk
968:Coopuk
938:Coopuk
752:Coopuk
733:Iaaasi
727:- Per
669:Coopuk
604:Coopuk
582:coopuk
451:Coopuk
409:WP:RFC
394:Coopuk
380:Coopuk
36:scale.
6056:Quote
6029:Btw:
5562:|ans=
5552:This
4057:Query
3901:|ans=
3891:This
3780:after
3374:Intro
3175:have.
1631:still
843:could
359:Lajbi
6091:talk
6039:talk
6021:talk
6005:talk
5749:talk
5745:Böri
5729:talk
5682:talk
5655:talk
5644:talk
5629:talk
5615:talk
5603:talk
5584:talk
5578:. --
5503:DUCK
5494:Note
5472:talk
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5443:talk
5411:talk
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4571:Club
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4132:Club
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3689:(or
3669:talk
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3500:The
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3020:per
2995:per
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2931:and
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2707:and
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2570:per
2549:talk
2523:talk
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2494:talk
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2443:talk
2420:talk
2408:Note
2405:— *
2389:talk
2349:talk
2297:talk
2283:talk
2243:talk
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2207:talk
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2130:talk
2113:talk
2084:The
2074:talk
2043:talk
2031:note
2016:talk
1996:talk
1972:talk
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