Talk:Galician–Asturian - Knowledge (XXG)

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view, is correct. In this statement only it refer to the traditional opinion (not the true opinion, neither the last word in the materia). His author uses correctly the sources, with especific quotes of Menéndez Pidal, Eugenio Coseriu, Lindley Cintra and Damaso Alonso (respect this autor fail the quote, although is well known this reference), etc.., after refers to the opinion of other authors modernest, among them, Frias Conde, who more know of this issue, in my opinion, and Xan Babarro. Sincerously, I think that there isn't controversy in this assertion. Even, someone who doesn't understand it so, like ex-president of ALLA, mr. Garcia Arias, precisely, he start their issue study from the criticism of this traditional position. Perhaps, only is reprehensible, the next sentences, the conection following with policy questions. I've seen worse things in WP, and in policy questions is implicit that everyone think diferent.

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today is estimated that there are 45.000 native speakers eonavian against 100.000 native asturian speakers in all asturias country). These two process are hurting to the scientific contents. If you read the asturian and Galician wiki and you contrast both versions, would understand this. In the asturian wiki is repeated exactly your afirmation while that in galician page, directly refuse the consideration of language, is only Galician language of Asturias. However, it isn't right. I think, that the correct thing would be to say: in this question there is this controversy, somebody think this is so and others think another thing, without bet by any position. Although still more correct, for me and, perhaps for most people eonavian, would be to omit all that controversy, because provides more political than linguistic contents.

1224:- The Eonavian has had and has in current a important litterary production, I quote folowing authors: Bernardo Acevedo y Huelves, Ramón García González, (1870-1938), Conrado Villar Loza, (Taramundi 1873-Tapia 1962), Alexandro Sela, Manuel García Sánchez, Manolo Galano, Jacinto Díaz López, Xose Miguel Suárez, Xavier Frías Conde, Benigno Fernández Braña, Xan Castañeira, Xosé Máximo Fernández, Susa Argul Muniz, Xosé Antonio Ron Tejedo, Adela Conde Valledor, Crisanto Veiguela, (Vegadeo 1959), Alejandro Antúnez Blanco, (Navia 1933), Teresa López, (Boal 1950), Xoxe carlos Alvárez Blanco, Xavier Vilareyo (Mieres 1967), Fredo de Carbexe, (El Franco 1967), Aurora García Rivas, etc. 1272:. Regarding Frías Conde, I quote in the first theory, but is very relative his position. When Frias Conde was young he was very active in favour of Galician theory, and his close a Mdga and other actives groups, because in that moment the question was very hard polemic. Today, the things are very different, there are a some more consensus of this issue. In current I don't know what is the position of Frias Conde, because he is more interested in regarding linguist questions than philologic, but I read all that he publish, and I don't think so he hold that eonavian there are not a Language in so taxative terms that you have exposed. 1026:«That traditional point of view it should be to clarify, so any division of language areas is (necessarily) at least partially arbitrary, from point of view of the modern linguistic Science, the eonavian is a good example of a linguistic continuum of the languages in the Northwest of Iberian Peninsula and despite, in now, there is a strong influence of castillian, oficial language for eight centuries, still is appreciated the existence of many common features with the neighbour languages» 641:

you are interested seriously about aspects linguistics of eonavian, when you don't say anything about linguistics aspects, not a single comment to the phonetic, morphological or syntactic that are included on page by me, too. Your statement is only a value judgement that only is based in the infused knowledge. You've come to the conclusion about the identity of eonaviego, without even an appointment, or a reference, unknowing nothing about this question. That, if it is unscientific.

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you use concepts of XXI century, like galician or asturian, that are later when the time in that eonavian language is dissociated respect the languages of his enviroment, in this case galician-portuguese language. This time, when the people lost intengibility of the languages enviroment, is esential to distinguish the substrate and superstrate of language. My opinion, about the linguistic question of eonavian that you propose, you can consult it on this sites:

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consideration (all written and therefore partially or fully standardized) are usually well separated in space and time and where the intervening varieties have all vanished without trace, removing any possibility of viewing the Indo-European family as a continuum. However, where the object of study is a series of now-existing varieties or a range of closely related varieties from the past, the tree model is open to a number of grave objections.

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that I Know, my fathers one time brought to the village one employee of Pontevedra, near of Portugal, that speaks "closed" Galician, and while we had sometimes problems for understand us with him, however the ancian people of the village understood almost all. The reason is the same, both used the same system vocalic, however we, that were living ordinary in castillian, we have lost the distinction of many sounds.

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question because his professional life is following another way. Nonetheless if you read more above, you could see, as there are many opinions more about this subject. This is a polemic question, that mixed politics aspects. For that reason we must be very careful with WP NPOV policies, the term dialect seems to choose for one the option, in that sense WP: NCLANG advises a restricted use for this term.

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language is the system vocalic, and tv usually use the sistem vocalic castillian. Otherwise, my wife is the Arribes Region in Spain, in a village so far 5 miles of Freixo d'Espada a Cinta (Portugal), anyone in her village understand any word in portuguese and vice versa. Neither, there are transitional languages in any village, despite there are villages in Spain where speak only portuguese.

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expecting this term ("dialect") to cause too much inconvenience. For this reason, I don't really want to insist on this... I think these sort of debates about transitional dialects (whether languages or not) turn out to be boring and pointless. It is fine by me to label Eonavian as both, a language or a dialect, but

1230:- In eonavian there are a periodic publications in the newspapers since 1895, in Las Riveras del Eo, El Castropol and the Aldeano. Magazines written only in Eonaviego since 1992: A freita, Entrambasauguas, Britonia, etc. The Eonavian has his owner institution by Navia-Eo linguist secretary since 1995. -- 923:

Respect if the west asturian people understand Eonavian. The answer is NOT. To start, I may specify that in Luarca, everybody speak in spanish principally, my old father lives your infancy in Luarca (9-17), he always says me, that never heard to speak asturian in Luarca. In the villages near Luarca,

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of its own; neither of this 3 positions is supported by modern linguistics, because in a dialect continuum, as the one widely acknowledged to exist between Portugal, Belgium and Sicily, any division of language areas is (necessarily) at least partially arbitrary. Please tell me if you understand this

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of Eonavian, justy tell me this: would a speaker from Navia be able to communicate with one from Lluarca, each of them speaking his own vernacular? Or tell me this: is the vernacular from Navia as different from the one in Lluarca as the vernacular of Lisbon is from the one in Lluarca? Let's hope you

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My only interest here was to determine what is Eonavian. Consequently, I came to move the article because a large majority of scholars consider it a dialect (e.g. Lindley, Frías, Coşeriu, Pidal, etc.), in contrast to less frequent or isolated authors who classify it as a different language. I wasn't

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You have a lot sources produced by me in the article. You only need to see the historial. Well, but, how many quotes have you produced. What is your interest in this question. Why do you start about the end and don't explain nothing? Have you ever listen the people of Eo-navia? I'm sorry but I think

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The term dialect is a confused and polemic term, inadequate and contrary to WP: NPOV policies. On the one hand, it makes reference from a philological point of view, to the root the language, i.e., the Spanish is a dialect of Latin, (however nobody appointment a Spanish like a dialect). Another hand

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Only would be missing include the bibliographical quotes, with necessary reference to Damaso Alonso, García Arias and Frias Conde. The most elegant overview, it would be refer to the dispute between Garcia Arias and Frias Conde, leaving room for everyone to draw their own conclusion. It's to say the

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Respect if the eonavian people understand the galician people. Many people in Eonavia go to work to Ribadeo, Burela and Foz, in works where only speak Galician, they say me that no problem speak galician. Well, I don't see so clear, because they help using with many words in spanish. On another case

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In first I said you, that it isn't necessary so. Me, for example, was living in La Rivera region, (Valencia) two years, I didn't understand any words when the people spoken me speed, but I understand always perfectly tv Valencià or tv Catalonia. The reason of it, is what most dificult for learn one

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Otherwise, you have a concept of very peculiar linquist, but still in the same, what do you know anything of eonavian language to support this statement? Where have you read it to reach those conclusions? Who are the current state of Linguistics, if you don't give any reference? Anyway, I doubt that

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Xavier Frías Conde is one of the best linguists who has estudied the eonavian. His thesis, "El gallego exterior a las Fronteras Administrativas" has a huge information and it's a necessary reference in this language. Unfortunately he takes some years without produce any interesting thing about this

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The people in Eo-Navia suffer a double pressure policy, on one side of anexionism galician and on the other is affected by the process the reconstruction of Asturian Language, (while that in 1975 the asturian was almost a dead language, the eonavian always hold on. Being very small our region, even

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In respect, of the question linguistic that you propose, I refer an other pages of wikipedia, only I will say you, that is obvious that diacronic or sincronic criterial aren't absolute, nothing it is in this world, but I know, there isn't other methods for philologic study of the languages. Anyway,

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Respect: «There is something very strange with your last comments...: » I'm sorry is a mistake this estatement is present now in page and sincerously think that's right, because this is the opinion of Menendez Pidal and Damaso Alonso, and I don't know if is the most qualified opinion, but I'm sure

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So you have written 90% of the article based on the tree model, and I have written 1% of it based on an alternative model. But you can't stand even that 1%, and that's when I must say that not all knowledge and not all sources are the same. There is obsolete knowledge and up-to-date knowledge, and

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I've had a mistaken, because I thought that your statement replaced other previous, hence my ungry. In respect, to that statement what you refer, you should direct it to who made it (this phrase is in the first version, from four years ago). Anyway, neither I see it so bad. From a point of formal

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school is not the current state of the art in linguistics, to say it politely. If Eonavian is comprehensible to people in the neighbouring areas to the east, in Asturias (and I think it is), and also it is comprehensible to people in the neighbouring areas to the west, in Galicia (and I think it

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It's interesting what happen with this page. Here, there are many concerned persons on this subject, we have read, we have studied this language and we have wanted to produce information, quotes, references, texts and opinions, because this language, its evolution and its study is a really very

1130:- The Eonavian has a written production continues since XII century, the written production about Aranese, Ribagorçan and Benasquese languages are not berofe to XX century. Even, the Asturian the firsts writes is not before XVII century and the documents in Galician are the XII century too. 432:

Not only is the tree model inadequate to express the relationships between diatopically related varieties, but it may seriously distort the diachronic and synchronic study of language. Some would argue that this model works well within Indo-European linguistics, where the varieties under

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the countrymen speak some asturian mixed with castilian. The people of these villages don`t understand in absolute the language of El Franco, Vegadeo or Castropol any word. That isn't a problem, so usually the people is bilingual and speak spanish when talk with the rest asturian people.

525:, in fact it is exactly the opposite, my sentence is based on the current state of Linguistics. In my opinion, one of the main achievements of modern Linguistics has been to get rid of all the ideological conditioning that was typical of pre-scientific Linguistics, a.k.a. 650:

But if it is so clear that statement is scientific, keep that Catalonian is a language of transition between the Aragonese and Occitan, in the first paragraph on page of the Catalan language, let's see how long. Let's see if that attitude does not qualify as vandalism.

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c) - Mixed Theory. Those who consider dialect of Galician-Portuguese, (no galician), with some characteristics of Asturian language (XM Suárez Fernández, Fernández Vior, García García, etc.). Is the position of the academy of asturian language (alla) suport

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For the asturian people of eonavian region like me, the eonavian language is part of our cultural heritage so is esential by know how arised the romance languages in Asturias. Talking about whether it looks more to Asturian or Galician is irrelevant for

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In regarding your questions, I thought that terminology, "dialect", are outdated as Scientific term. In any case it's for me very dificult give you a answer because, we could understand this term in a several ways. I would tell you the following:

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I'm sorry is a mistake this estatement is present now in page and sincerously think that's right, because this is the opinion of Menendez Pidal and Damaso Alonso, and I don't know if is the most qualified opinion, but I'm sure that is traditional

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I'm intervening in asturian wiki, in spanish wiki and galician wiki in every ussues of my region. In this time, my intention has been to amend political contens always with agreement with the masters. I've never had problems with it, and

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You want valid refences of linguist point of view, the problem is which distinction is more philological question than linguist, and I repeat that word have a ambigous and polemic content. It is own about Philological Science. Anyway,

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Considering the Galician-Portuguese origin of eonavian, evidenced in the examination of ancient documents of the monastery of Oscos, (read the documents of the monastery), the doubts that may arise is the Asturian language subsequent

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I tried to clean up 'The Cartulary of the Oscos Abbey' section which was hard for me to understand; but I claim no expertise on the topic so I may have made inadvertent errors. It might be worth moving that section to its own page.

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that you have read nothing about this subject in your life. At least, one question, why do you compare the situation of Eonavian than Aranese, Ribagorzan and Benasquese, when the dependence of this "dialects" is huge polemic.

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Gallician-Asturian, also known as Eonavian, has been considered a dialect of Gallician-Portuguese. So, I suggest we add this in the list of subdivisions in the article about the Gallician-Portuguese language. Anonymy365248

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interesting subject for the linguists. Its study shows us the origin and evolution the romances languages in the northwest of the Iberian Peninsula. I think so really worth. Anyway, view the history of the page.

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In this question depends the degree of implementation of Castilian, that is usually vehicular language. Hence the importance of historical study of the sources at other time in that Castilian didn't have so much

1132:- The Eonavian has, not one but two gramaticals rules, the Cotarelo Valledor proposition and the proposition Navia-Eo Secretary (official in the Asturian territory, those rules are used by eonavian scholars). 1761: 1115:

However, which prevails at the end, it's the opinion of the first "enlightened", who have heard no word in his life in Eonavian, and know nothing about this language. His production is limited to assert,

1128:- The eonavian has his origin in a dead language, the Galician-portuguese language. Like Spanish, the eonavian is orphan. On this way, Eonavian isn't a dialect because his philolological father is dead. 817:

and not let an opinion of value in the head of the article as if it wouldn't have other. That's the correct deontologically, and of course, I encourage you to do so, would be very interesting your input.

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a) - Galician Theory. Those who consider this variant of Galician (Fernández Rei, Xan Babarro, Braña Fernandez, Carlos Aenelle, etc. Frías Conde lesser extent).Is the position of the academy of Galician

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refers a language unregulated, which lacks the grammatical rules, like "spanglish" . At last, the word has a negative connotation, like a jargon which is not enough to be considered like a language.

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Very interesting, but the question is, if you don't know anyhing of Eonavian language, why suport this asertion that isn't offering philological information and only contains a political proclamation.

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Those are not valid references, I can't find Eonavian is recognised as a language from a linguistic point of view. Xavier Frías classifies it as a Galician dialect, not as a different language.

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d) - Autonomy Theory. The eonavian is a dialect of Galician-portuguese language spoken in the middle Edge in the NW of iberian peninsula, diferent of Galician of portuguese languages.

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As deciphering your English seems to be getting more and more difficult each day, I'll try a quick solution. I'll reword the heading, and then you tell me what you think of it. --

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to open an epigraph and explain that position, (the distinction between philologic and linguistic aspects that you refer, with examples and references of eonavian language books)

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I'm probably having too much respect for completely outdated sources, typical of Spanish scholars who learn an outdated and antiquated version of linguistics at the University.

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b) -Asturian Theory. Those who consider that it is a Galician-Portuguese, (no galician) language with greater influence of asturian (XL García Arias ex-president of ALLA)

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2. It is unacceptable, that, in this question so very controversy, you delete, without any arguments, another sentence, that peacefully was preserved for four years,

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1. It is unacceptable that in the first sentence of an article is bet by a position in litigation, especially when this position may have political implications.

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I mean by adding it to the classification section in the Galician-Portugese branch of the West Iberian languages, because it wasn't in the classification list.

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Moreover, the English wikipedia from the beginning adopted a different position. See earlier versions of this page, that support a mixed position, less radical:

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article and in ousting anyone ready to help with it. You have not discussed, even for a second, the possibility of changing the wording, only returning to

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Yes, that's what I meant when I said that Gallician-Asturian should be added in the Gallician-Portuguese branch of West Iberian languages.

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I meant by adding it to the list of the Gallician-Portuguese branch of the West Iberian languages in that article of the same name?

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In case you don't trust that Knowledge (XXG) page, check out what a well-known historical linguist, Ralph Penny, has to say:

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same, but without unfair comparative reference with other languages. This is a example, sure that there are another better.

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https://web.archive.org/web/20130426225015/http://languagecharter.eokik.hu/sites/languages/L-Asturian_in_Spain-Asturias.htm

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Renamed the article to "Eonavian dialect", in the same fashion as Aranese, Ribagorçan, Benasquese (transitional) dialects.

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2. Your comment is tendentious because it is positioned for the second position b) radical position, in my opinion...

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The Portuguese IPAs are a mixture of Brazilian and European pronunciation; some have wrong stress and vowel height.

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It is unacceptable, that, in this question so very controvers, you delete, without any arguments, another sentence

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go back or clarify your statement, because is ofensive to Eonavian people, tendentious and violate NPOV policies

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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But, if you want hold your aseveration, being so controversy the question, the correct thing should be

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transitional between Asturian and Aragonese; and in the past it was between those and the Mozarabics.

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and which have transitional characteristics between the Galician and Asturian linguistic varieties.

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question. Penny explains it very well but to show it I would have to copy here a too long quote.

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I support removing them. They are completely irrelevant to the topic (and many are incorrect).

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What I mean is to have it mentioned in the article about the Gallician-Portuguese language?

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sincerely, I think, that not so bad clear up these questions so sensitive for many people.

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I think that not mentioning that key feature of Eonavian is so misleading, it would make

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Only the authors that hold the first theory, they hold than eonavian is not a language

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states that each single linguistic variety has one single origin, and that is exactly

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Emphasize my request for clarification of your estatment, sincerely this statement,

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areas, and that was exactly what I was trying to make clear with my little sentence.

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Secondly, being a speaker of Eonavian might give you first-hand information about

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also applies here, most linguists concur that Eonavian is a Galician dialect...

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1. No one argues that the Eonavian is a language with mixed characteristics.

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Well, unlike the Aranese, Ribagorçan, Benasquese (transitional) dialects:

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Well, as you can imagine, I don't know much in detail about this variety.

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Please clarify this sentence, because I cannot make head or tails of it:

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A Brief Outline of Historical Sociolinguistics of the Galician language

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linguistics, every single linguistic variety, dialect or vernacular is

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Editor Candalín has repeatedly deleted this sentence from the heading:

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if you read above, you will see the four positions about this subject

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A key trouble with you is that you don't seem to understand that the

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is), then the transitional nature of this linguistic area is not a

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