Talk:Grey/Archive 1

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be reverted within minutes. Someone should deal with this, preferably by actually finding sources for all the random material present in this section. At the current time, this is only one of many pages on Knowledge where large amounts of "uncited" materials can be found without any visible attempt to verify or correct the issue. If Knowledge wants to be taken seriously for anything included in it's pages, it seriously needs to deal with this problem, as well as the refinement of many unreliable sources which can also be found on many pages. As it stands Knowledge is nothing more than a psuedo-intellectual, holier-than-though version of any other wiki out there; It is no better than places like Encyclopedia Dramatica, albeit it tries very hard to appear as if it weren't. Although I got off-topic, I just wanted to express that the wealth of material in need of citations is just the first problem holding Knowledge back from being useful. Start by fixing it in this article, and then try actually reading the articles you're mass-reverting to see if any of them need citations.

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German and 'gray' is close to 'grau'. Both usages are common in the States, and while our policy is not to make a fuss about these things, we're left with the question of whether, when people break that agreement and move stuff around, we should undo their efforts as a deterrent against future things of that kind. I'm not sure if we should in this case or not. In any case, as, if I'm any example to go by, for this word I don't think any speaker of English would find 'grey' wrong (Americans regularly see both and many like me don't even notice), and many non-American speakers of English would find 'gray' wrong, perhaps it's best to leave it at 'Grey'. I don't feel strongly enough about it to actually vote. --

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who knows perfectly well what the rule is? It's not at all impossible that, if this move stands, then "Cennet" will wait a decorous interval to make it look good, and then show up under yet another name and stage another guerrilla attack on the MoS. In addition, even aside from the deterrent effect, I just don't think that rulebreakers should be rewarded by getting their desired outcome as a result of their rulebreaking.

1483: 3204:. I don't consider your evidence at all "solid", since I'm pretty sure that Google books has an imprecise algorithm for assigning books to the British and American English categories, and it's ignoring the rest of the English-speaking world. Your evidence does show that "grey" is at least twice as common in British English; other that that, I wouldn't draw any conclusion about the smaller numbers. 4931: 4836: 462:. "Grey" is occasionally seen in U.S. usage but "gray" is far more common. The sporadic occurrences of "grey" give no reason to depart from our policy of honoring the original spelling. True, we don't want to bicker about spelling, but if we let the unilateral undiscussed anti-policy probable sockpuppet move stand, the effect will be to generate more bickering about spelling. 2944: 2940: 2936: 2244: 2831:. From what I can gleen in the archive, this page initially began at "gray" before it was moved unilaterally. Per ENGVAR it should have stayed there unless there was a compelling reason to move it to 'grey,' which I don't see. Plus, the nominator's rationale makes perfect sense. We use American spelling throughout the article, so it should apply to the title as well. 3104: 4980: 3072:

version for about three years, and has had grey for nine years now which means it's long standing. Tricky, half tempted to suggest just leaving the status quo as I'm not sure what real benefit moving this would have at this point. Both spellings are valid and I don't think we are going to confuse readers either way. Guess I'll tweak my !vote.

2207: 2762:: the article appears to use the British spelling "grey" throughout, except for specific, deliberate cases: a direct quote, HTML colours. I don't see where we get the conclusion that the article uses US English. As it stands, it is "color" that is inconsistent, isn't it? The article should be tagged as using British English. – 2847:. The title and usage should be in one variant or the other. Apparently the original was US English per ENGVAR, so that's what it should be. That "grey" is theoretically acceptable in US English is neither here or there. It's getting red underlines as I type this, and I have my dictionary set to US English. -- 1783:

in "Dragostea din Tei" by Ozone, a.k.a. the numa numa dance, the lyrics before the main theme (where the title is stated) is "when you leave, my colors fade to gray", and seeing as this article states the very most irrelevant of things related to gray, (no offense; this still can be useful) I thought

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a generally acceptable spelling. And as noted above, the first vote didn't have consensus, so really the "losing" side didn't in fact lose at all, as I understand the defined criteria. Perhaps the moving admin was taking into account the "impropriety" of the original move that sparked all this off.

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I think the first discussion was more complex, and was, at least in part, concerned with whether the previous move was correct, and whether or not it should be undone. This discussion is over the simpler point of whether "gray" should move to "grey", regardless of the editing history. On that basis,

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I've read them and I agree with Maurreen. If your reference is to your point that "future culprits" won't know about this decision, my response is: I don't mean to be snide or anything, but have you read the arguments offered by previous voters, in particular the evidence that Cennet is a sockpuppet

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America (see the American Heritage Dictionary, or Merriam-Webster). Indeed, the examples of avoiding 'alternate', etc, rather approves of doing so. The objective, as I understand it, is as great a mutual comprehensibility as possible, not to uphold 'linguistic first strike' at the cost of all else.

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The Manual of Style also says, "If a word or phrase is generally regarded as correct, then prefer it to any other word or phrase that might be regarded as incorrect." 'Grey' is correct in British English and in U.S. English; 'Gray' is correct only in U.S. English, so the former should be preferred.

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I found this article while searching for "neutral color", as it redirected here. But I'm actually looking for an article on "neutral color" in the sense of various (often non-grey) colors used in a neutral manner—like beige, navy blue, etc. Is there such an article? And if so, there should either

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It seems that a majority of material in this section lacks citation, I'm pretty surprised this apparently wasn't corrected or even discussed on the talk page. I'd fix it by adding the 'citation needed' stamps to everything that requires them, but I'm sure my attempt to point out a serious flaw would

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Although I use the -ay spelling, I prefer using the -ey spelling for this page. The -ay spelling is almost exclusive to North America, while the -ey spelling is used worldwide. Since the English Knowledge has English-speaking people from different areas, the use of a form seen in almost all dialects

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was, I think, ill-advised to make the change (and would have been better occupied doing some more useful editing) — but, first, the change appears not to be across U.S./U.K.-English lines ('grey' does seem genuinely to be the much more common spelling world-wide, and even fairly common in the U.S.),

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The question of word origins isn't really relevant here. Both spellings are valid in American English (personally, I don't think I use one spelling consistantly, nor do I really notice which I'm using). It probably doesn't help that although 'grey' may be closer to the british roots, I know a bit of

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As I understand RETAIN, Grey would be the prefered name as it has been used for almost a decade and not only for this article but for all the related articles, categories and templates. Note that the original article used UK English even though it used the gray spelling. In 2005 the choice probably

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The page started as American spelling, stayed that way for eight months and was changed to British spelling in violation of policy. The user who made this changed had no previous edits, and never edited another page. This makes me suspect that he knew it was wrong when he did it (by checking out a

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Obviously this "In popular culture" section needs to be dismantled and turned into appropriate prose for other sections. As a first two-minute fix, I'm just going to remove all of the "things that happen to be grey" entries. While "The Picture of Dorian Gray" is a great book and Sonic the Hedgehog

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Concensus has decided that "Grey" is the color. There are though many things spelt "gray" that are not related to the color. People, places, etc for example. So I think the "gray" page should stand as a disambig. But shouldn't the "Gray" aticle have its own talk page? As it is now it links to this

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No, it wasn't to that; it was to the fact that the style guide isn't clear on this, as we're not concerned with a simple difference between U.S. and U.K. English; 'grey' is both U.S. and U.K., 'gray' is only U.S. As for rulebreakers not getting what they want — fair enough, but I also don't think

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I was thinking of was "When no English variety has been established and discussion cannot resolve the issue, the variety used in the first non-stub revision is considered the default." That seems to be the case here, and the earliest use was "gray". And of course I'd regard it as secondary to the

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Interesting, the first version of the article apparently used British spelling ( e.g. colour ) except for the word gray. The 2005 fork and subsequent requested move back look like they didn't closed properly, just sort of petered out. The other issue is long standing... the article only had that

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I'm not sure if that is a good description of the problem. Normally we expect up-to-date browsers to be strict about spelling and usage: browsers that accept variant spelling of grey/gray would not normally be called "up to date", any more than browsers which accept variant spelling of gr/green.

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there is a post talking about how grey on black or white is the same as white with black or vice versa, I know I've read this on a book about shades, tones & pigments before, that grey is its own complement, but has the same effect as a contrasting color with either black or white. That grey

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article, 67.2 percent of all first-language English speakers live in the United States. Accordingly, I would assume that the vast magjority of them speak American English. I'm not saying we change the MOS to force every English article to be American English, but in this case, where there is a

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It's an article that started using one variation of English, then was switched without consulation or consensus. Change it back to gray, and if someone feels so strongly about it that they want to go through all the motions, let them go through the hassle! It's annoying when the only argument

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even provides that "Universally used terms are often preferable to less widely distributed terms, especially in article titles". Some editors claim that 'grey' is valid usage in the USA. If this is true then grey may represent the closest option for common usage in the two countries. The Ngrams

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Agreed, I've removed it now. Even the Crip page itself doesn't back up that bit. It says "For many years, Crips were characterized by their tendency to wear blue in order to easily identify each other. ... A particular set of Crips ... wear purple in addition to blue ... have been known to wear

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Should this discussion be considered a new one because the last discussion only finished at 03:25, 2005 Mar 1 (UTC). If this is a request for new opinions, perhaps people who supported or opposed in the first discussion should not be eligible to support or oppose this one as it could be seen as

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recently released reports on the growing usage and increased popularity of British English spellings in the United States...blaming the phenomenon in part for the large number of UK-expatriate editors who take publishing jobs in the United States and influence the language in the editing and

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should have been made in part using RETAIN / ENGVAR which would have ended up with UK English with the gray spelling. 9 years though after it was set to US English with the Grey spelling, which has since in my opinion become the long standing consensus. I see RETAIN as supporting Grey now.

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Despite being tagged since February, this article has not had any references added for the large amount of unreferenced text; so, per WP policy, I am moving the two sections below to the talk page below. Please add this material back to the article when and if sources can be found for it.

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being policy have recently been removed as a couple of editors believed that as there was no vote to make it policy, it wasn't policy (although personally I believe that it has effectively been accepted as policy by acclamation, but I lost out there). Ergo, there is no policy either way,

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do you think the American publishing industry publishes more books than UK, Australia, Canada, India? Or is it that Indian books aren't generally on Google Books? India is the world's largest English-speaking nation, this article probably should be tagged as being in Indian English.

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for each term. "Gray" returned 19,655 articles, while "grey" returned only 2,270. Obviously, both totals will be distorted by people named Gray or Grey and by other proper nouns, but that cuts both ways -- the first hit for "grey" is an article about homelessness that mentions a

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who change all the spellings to "grey" when it was originally at "gray." That, if anything, is clearly out of line with Knowledge's policies on British/American spellings, about leaving spellings as they originally were when the subject is not specifically British or American.

1416:, but if it's too Americentric and horrible a thing to do I'll understand. I think "grey" is fine for this article though as many in the US spell it that way now too. I dislike that spelling, it's not because I'm pro-US just anti-UK:), but it is basically the common one now.-- 2780:

The article uses US spellings for "color", "airplane", "favorite", "kilometer" and "-ize" in place of "-ise". I'd missed the archive discussion; if "grey" is an acceptable US spelling as well, then perhaps there's no need to move it. (I just hit the talk page after reverting

469:"Sporadic"? DSNA says the usage is roughly 50-50 across the United States, and that at least 20% of the country favours "-our" endings over "-or" as in colour, honour, etc. Though I disagree with the anon's move, it is in line with Knowledge's common use naming convention.— 4764:

Once again, I have replaced the tan/brown eruption with a grey eruption. If the size/format is a problem, please don't replace with a tan/brown colored image! Just because it is considered to be an ash cloud, doesn't mean that the image shows the color of grey.

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The title of this article is in British English. Knowledge manual of style is neutral on what English variant should be used, but there is a guideline that each article be consistent within itself. I've adjusted spelling accordingly so it is in British English

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Now, we do generally try to go for commonality. This article is 100% American English and that variety should be retained (so whether we move it or not, we still should use "color"). It's also true that we do try to use common forms to all varieties of English

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I can't comment on if it's US-centric, but I think that people are more often 'confused' about if grey/gray is the right spelling, but the regional difference between colour and color is generally well known, so not really important to note for most people.

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Artists sometimes use the two different spellings to distinguish between strict combinations of black and white versus combinations that do have elements of hue. I had hoped that this article would help me remember which type was grey and which was gray.

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and secondly, once it's done why waste further time changing it all again (especially to a third option)? Reverting it as a deterrent would only work if likely future culprits had any idea of what was done in this case — but that seems pretty unlikely.

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Don't be surprised; don't preach; do try to help, either by added the tags or by simply removing the unsourced material. Removing unsourced trivia from the color articles is practically a full-time activity for some of us, but we don't get to them all.

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If the gray spelling is widely used outside of the US that indeed may be a good counter argument. I use American English myself, I was always lead to believe that gray was not used much outside the US; if that is not the case then that changes things.

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where a change was reverted in 2008). In the US, both spellings are acceptable, so the title, grey, is acceptable everywhere, is it not? But somehow, some instance of "colour" have crept in since 2009 in various places, so it needs some cleanup.

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U.S. English, whereas 'gray' is used only in U.S. English — thus it isn't a simple matter of the difference between two variants of English. (And I'd not trust Google to tell me anything of this sort. Dictionaries are more useful and reliable.)

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should decide the matter didn't give a persuasive argument. The article on grey/gray is expected to serve as a common reference for mention of this color all over the encyclopedia. It isn't a question of who started this one article originally.

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double counting as it is doubtful anyone has changed their opinion in a week. The reason for saying this is that otherwise this vote can be resurrected again and again by the loosing side until they get the vote they want. What do others think?

3057:, which used "gray" throughout, and has a history starting 16:41, 20 February 2002‎. WP:RETAIN therefore supports "gray", and keeping spellings generally to "gray". I presume that there have been some page renames not evident in the logs. -- 2799:

I was just reading the archive too. Clearly the rationale is that "grey" is "acceptable" as a (US) American English spelling. While true, I think most people would look at this as a non-US spelling, then see the body as inconsistent.

3520: 3421: 3394:. No offense taken but I don't agree that your stats provided show that the AmEng spelling for the colo(u)r is more prevalent in BrEng than vice versa. The stats you have provided show absolutely no context, just that the spelling 283:

is fine as it is, and given the variety of topics covered (people, physics, color) all the more necessary. LASTLY, we have a policy around here about not bickering between American English and British English usage, please read

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If an article is predominantly written in one type of English, aim to conform to that type rather than provoking conflict by changing to another.(Sometimes, this can happen quite innocently, so please don't be too quick to make

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Whilst the hair actually becomes white as one ages, it is often misinterpreted as grey (white next to others colors looking comparatively darker), and hence grey is associated with the elderly, and has inspired the name of the

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Agreed. It's not only this article that has that problem. A large number of color articles over emphasize X11/HTML/CSS colors. I still want to redo the infobox some day and push such coordinates and samples down to a sub box.

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I had a math teacher years ago named "Mr. Gray". He told us that 'Gray' is a surname and is therefore always capitalized, whereas 'grey' is the color, however I don't doubt there are many people with the last name of 'Grey'.

2320:, which itself has no working references. In fact it actually refers you to a parking domain. I think these "facts" (like "grey is lighter than gray") should be removed until someone can find a real actual source for them. 1471:

Most grey pigments have a cool or warm cast to them, as the human eye can also detect even a minute amount of saturation. Yellow, orange and red will create a "warm grey". Green, blue, or purple, will create a "cool grey".

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Is it really necessary to include "Grey is sometimes worn by members of the infamous Crip gang"? I myself sometimes wear grey and am not a gang member. In fact, everybody I know (all of whom are non-gang members) also

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As there are a lot of sections regarding this subject, I arbitrarily chose to put my response here. I believe that the spelling of this article should be reverted to its original American English for the following

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if grey is produced when two colors are combined. Grey is its own complement. Consequently, grey remains grey when its color spectrum is inverted, and therefore has no opposite, or alternately is its own opposite.

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In terms of votes, there is almost a tie between the two preferences. The article name has been the subject of hot disputes in the past, as reflected by the indefinite move protection. The users who believe that

2892:( the first part of ENGVAR, that comes before RETAIN subsection which is the part I'm assuming most are referring to via ENGVAR above ). As the grey spelling is valid in all varieties it should be preferred. 2517:

Eh, I'd suggest 'grey' be used throughout the article, simply because that's the title of the article. Keep the article in American spelling by all means, if 'grey' is in fact acceptable within that, though.

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I wodered why i couldnt see the name Sir Reginald Grey of Ruthin Castle, A great and noble Lord of the Marches, who also held Manors in England.Blunham for one much to the annoyance of one Earl of Pembroke.

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I'd be OK reporting it as "a voice in the wilderness" as this secondary source calls it, or some such framing that makes it clear that it was probably not more than one guy's idea that didn't catch on.

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this is a different discussion, the results of which (will) deserve attention. I don't care whether it was wrong or not of someone to move it in the past, only whether it would be better to move it now.

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Could someone please inspect the recent edit by 141.43.210.4. That IP is being used for vandalism on many pages & the edit here may be that too. Not knowing the subject I can't offer an opinion.

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changed all the spelling to British, and moved the page (title) to British spelling (when you look at the history you see the new title, even when looking at older edits.) This is a clear violation of

939:- if one spelling is universal and one is parochial, we should use the universally-accepted spelling. When confronted with a choice between being sometimes wrong and being never wrong, why choose the 2389:

I just now realized that "color" is the spelling historically used in this article. My honest mistake. I have added an American English template to this talk page to reduce any future confusion. —

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Martin Bormann was called the grey eminence because, as the executive secretary to Adolf Hitler, he amassed great power behind the scene, because he was the one who controlled access to the Führer.

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I noticed it while reading the Oxford English Dictionary, which cites Field's Chromatography in the etymology of "grey". Combine both those published sources, and this seems serious enough to pass

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than "grey" is used in America, yet you have written a completely unsourced claim to the contrary. Do you have any support that contradicts the solid evidence I introduced? 22:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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Now, we have a blue-grey cat, greyish/brown painting, an eruption with, possibly, "fifty shades of grey", good neutral grey with the monks, and a sort of pinkish grey fog. Hope this is acceptable.

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Why does this article have a warning at the beginning of it, with regards to the spelling of the colour, when articles such as 'colour' (not that you'll find it spelled such on wikipedia) do not?

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I'm not a professional lexicographer, but I find both the DSNA assertions astounding. Were they perhaps including Canada? I just did my own half-baked research by searching the archives of the

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issue, since both spellings are used in all varieties ("Gray" is more common in the US, while "Grey" is more common in the UK and elsewhere, but both are established in all the major varieties

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Hi, I changed most instances in the article of color to colour as the title is in British English, thus we follow that through out the article. WP:MOS should be reviewed before you object.--

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so soon myself. On the other hand: it's different for the reasons Stemonitis mentions, and also because it was complicated by "Grey (colour)" being the then page name, which is obviously

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The article has a title of "grey", the Canadian spelling, but in the article, it uses the American spelling of color. If the title is "grey", we should use colour inside the article.--

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The policy says not to change American spellings to British ones (or vice versa). But it doesn't say not to change exclusively American spellings to ones recognised in Britain (etc)

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OK, I just can't swallow a blatent policy violation, so I'm going to pretend it didn't happen. Grey is the better spelling for reasons listed above. Changing my vote to keep Grey.

380:. Is this right? If so, then the policy is clear; articles should be standardized to the spelling they started in. When did the page move from American to British spelling happen? 325:. Moving it to a third place would solve nothing and would also create secondary redirects which would, I believe, fail. I have some sympathy with the placing of the article at 1351:

Surely the clue is in the name - 'English' i.e. the language of England. The Americans may chose to use their own variant but that is no reason to impose it on the rest of us.

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is favorable in an article that isn't about something having to do with a specific country (that is, unlike the articles on the American Civil War or the Hundred Years' War). --

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if appropriate. It looks like the only American English usage in the article is when discussing the differences in usage between the two. Is there a particular issue you see?

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I noticed that the spelling for this word is often changed in this article. Either way is correct, but once one spelling is used, it must be the same throughout the article. —

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than "grey" is used in America, yet you have written a completely unsourced claim to the contrary. Do you have any support that contradicts the solid evidence I introduced?

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If the user accidentally did the right thing, thinking he was being bold and underhand, you're still at liberty to object to the use of a sockpuppet by way of an RfC...

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Sorry 'bout that, kinda new at this, and you are certainly right, however I believe that that should be mentioned in the article to stop idiots like me from deleting it.--

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is relevant, and it says that we do not ever weigh or consider the varied populations or publishing output of any national variety in order to avoid such arguments (read

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establishes that "Gray" is indeed acceptable in British English even if it's less common (just as "Grey" is acceptable in American English even if it's less common).--

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What does "In recent years, "neutral colors" had been reclassified" even mean? Reclassified from what to what? Removing this sentence unless someone can explain it.

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support the case for this. In any event it's hard to see this article being moved from the name it has occupied for nine years without a broad consensus in favor.

1168:, which is a shame as all the above users could have spent their time improving the encyclopaedia rather than re-arguing the page location some more. Kind regards, 1258:

Hi there, I notice that in this article there is a lot of activity about spelling that could be better channeled into the subject itself. You may be interested in

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I'm at least partly to blame for not correctly making the article consistent when I reverted a spelling change earlier. This is all a good example of why we have

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The "Grey Wolf" and the eruption, look more brown than grey to me. I will try to find some better images to replace them. Will discuss here, once I locate them.

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is better - it has some entries using Gray, capitalized, as a surname--I wasn't able to weed those out. Still, it looked to me like most of them were the color.

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There are many articles which use British spellings on Knowledge, and several color-related articles which spell it “colour” throughout. You’ll notice that the

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Not really. Apparently, WAY back in the day, someone wrote a mixed article that was a disambiguation/article-on-the-actual-gray-color mashup. That was at

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One of the recent edits of this article is that it should use Commonwealth English; yet the article started in American English. What does anyone say??

2111:(see spelling differences)”. I’m not sure what your complaint is... can you point out an article which confuses readers? If so, we can try to fix it. – 118:

It says that the grayscale colors are 0 0 0 X where X is any number from 0 to 255, and that in theory it can also be X X X 0. But how about X X X X??

3370:, I hope you don't take any offense, but it is a bit frustrating to me that I posted sources showing that "gray" is used outside of American English 3183:, I hope you don't take any offense, but it is a bit frustrating to me that I posted sources showing that "gray" is used outside of American English 1524:

inverted is grey is simply common sense, and hard to get a reference for, I added the "cool" or "warm" color associations above from a .edu website.

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talk page. In the interests to making the various pages (Grey, Grey (disambig), and Gray) connected I placed disambig type links on the top of them.

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archive was at least a little better than just conveying my personal opinion -- which is that, even among Americans not writing specifically for the

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because of the massive population of the United States, that does not mean that that spelling variation overrules other English speaking countries.

392:, removing the re-direct by clicking on the link, and then clicking on "history", and it will have just one edit labelled "Move to Grey (colour)". 204:

OK, I did some more homework here. The page started with American spelling in July 2004. It continued with American spelling until last week when

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This article was incorrectly changed from American to British spelling. And the user who did it has only six edits, all to do with the page move.

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not. Why choose a spelling that is only used in the US (but not even exclusively) for an international English wikipedia? Oh, and by the way,

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option? Also, the article itself is inconsistent, using both spellings, seemingly at random. I suggest someone change that while we're at it.

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violated policy, and must be undone; it was AE and must stay AE, or we'll wind up in move requests again and again. Besides, Google supports

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23:23, 22 August 2020 (UTC) Okay, I boldly changed two of the images. They are not predominatly brown, as the previous images were. Thanks,

192:. Note that other articles the dis-ambiguation page links to will not change their titles, and the dis-ambiguation page itself can be named 4703: 3934: 2460: 2327: 2069: 1978: 1957: 1831:

wore grey, but come on now...it's just an irrelevant factoid about one particular demographic that really applies to everybody everywhere.

1791: 642:, if either a) that question is of my belief, or b) any help. (Again trying to resist the temptation to start a move counter-request...) 696:

Why is there even a vote when the style guide is clear? Allowing this to stand could encourage more needless language squabbles or worse.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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says about the matter. It will offer no comment whatsoever about how Americans not writing specifically for the NY Times spell the word,

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Now, what if Brits actually do use the American form a bit, too? That would mean we don't need to switch the form from the "a" version.

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Still opposed, but mostly as both titles seem valid and it has had this title for a long time, I don't see any benefit in changing it.

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The color names are: aqua, black, blue, fuchsia, gray, green, lime, maroon, navy, olive, purple, red, silver, teal, white, and yellow.

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If all else fails, consider following the spelling style preferred by the first major contributor (that is, not a stub) to the article.

4876: 4797: 4559: 3423:- if you look at the history, it appears that accepting "gray" is on the rise, but it still is significantly less common than "grey". 2355: 2044: 75: 2519: 878:

Page seems to have moved, though without much in the way of consensus. Would there be any support for a RM for a bona fide move to

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COMMONNAME absolutely refers to spelling. And the most common spelling does trump less common spellings when there's not really an

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I don't see any evidence that this color is discussed in this article and plan to delete it from the list per this discussion:

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Looking at the history, the article seems to have been started with American spelling and continued that way until last week

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results for "gray colour centre" (not in quotes)? Might that override the assertion from a footnote in a spelling textbook?

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not. That's a fact. In the MoS it says, a neutral word should be chosen if possible and reasonable, which is the case for

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dark-green ... in addition to blue ... the Crips have begun to cease the use of colors". Nothing about grey at all. --

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If someone decides that this color should have a section in this article and it is added, I would appreciate a ping.--

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to agree, but it's probably less confusing if they do. Do I care enough to want to rehash an old discussion? Nope. –

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That is true. I support the article reflecting the reality of American English or British English respectively. TY

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Why is this in the dicussion page? It looks good enough for the article to me. Same goes for the below topic. --

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To whoever wrote that, first, it is necessary to sign Knowledge articles, and second, that is thinking based on

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According to Field's Chromatography 1869 pg29-30, grey means pure black and white, and gray means faint of hue.

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I agree it's a bit soon. While I made the original comment, I don't think I'd have started another move vote

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is not an exclusively Canadian spelling, and while largely a British usage, it was the original spelling, and

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The crazy little diagram says that white is composed of red, yellow and blue... shouldn't yellow be green???

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Several days ago, this article was moved from American spellings to Canadian spellings in both a page move (

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The article keeping thrashing around with spellings; this article has been US spelling for many years (see

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usage isn't definitive. That's one reason I called my research "half-baked". I thought that going to the

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that people normally think of when they think of this word, and so I say that this article can be moved to

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This can happen if the image you're looking at is inverted, for example, if you're looking at a negative.

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Indeed - and "gray" should be used throughout the article, whereas "grey" is mostly used at the moment.--

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ever since with no resolution in sight. I don't think the status quo is really established. The part of

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is the deciding factor, and that would favor "gray". Overall, it's more common than "Grey" according to

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western. Similarly, "honor" gets 20,989 and "honour" only 119; "color" is 24,617 and "colour" is 93.

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is a spelling used in all varieties of English, so calling it "the British spelling" is disingenuous.

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is referred to as "grey matter", and for that reason the color is associated with things intellectual.

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Regarding the above response, Wikipedians above claim that "gray" is American only and that "grey" is

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for years, which explains why it hasn't continued to move around. However, the spellings have been

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Your "modern" reference explains that this was a distinction among “nineteenth-century printers”. –

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Search engines do common term folding. Look at how many of those results have "grey" highlighted.

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I don't mean to be snide or anything, but have you read the arguments offered by previous voters?

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I have no idea what the DSNA is. But a search of the NY Times can only reveal what the NY Times'

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to balance an all-black or all-white view (for example, shades of gray = magnitudes of good/bad)

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It doesn't seem useful or logical to describe one specific example of someone being describe as

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So we could say: some non-standards compliant browsers may recognise "grey" as well as "gray".

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and states that alternate spellings may require redirects...which is done appropriately here. —

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Interesting. I bet that distinction never caught on; or faded out over a hundred years ago.

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based primarily on the broader usage of 'grey' over 'gray', as noted in earlier arguments.

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and stay there. However the article should (except for grey) remain written in US English.

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and the text in the article. However, I'm pretty sure that this is the meaning of the word

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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a

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is perfectly acceptable in American English and is most common in the rest of the world.

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is "grey" significantly more common in American English than "gray" is in British English?

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changed a bunch of "color" to "colour", which nobody noticed or fixed. I just fixed it.

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Comment: Of course, the first vote showed a majority in favour of leaving the page at

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first thing. I get the sense this will tick people off, but about half the things at

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be a disambiguation page or a better navigation guide at the top of this article. -

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is composed of patches of shades of grey, while woodland camouflage uses ranges of

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are malicious spirits who prey on people's time and trick them into "saving" it.

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Tiny grey aliens, with large, tear-shaped black eyes are referred to as "little

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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does now seem to be an acceptable alternative spelling in British English too.

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may be a great game, neither contributes to our knowledge of the color grey. --

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a

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In theory it is also possible to achieve a greyscale with perfect inks when:

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I do find books that say explicitly that it's "grey" everywhere but America;

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If we actually get a rough consensus this time, that can't be a bad thing.

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is just an American variant. While UK-influenced English predominantly uses

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given as the American alternative, but spelling in the article itself (i.e.

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All the grey values in greyscale fit one of the following three equalities:

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folk of several kinds. Scandinavian folklore often depicts their gnomes and

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If the article is written in American English shouldn't "Gray" be the tile?

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that there's much to be gained in cutting your nose off to spite your face.

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American spellings need not be respelled to British standards nor vice-versa

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Also, just looking at online (British English) dictionaries and the use is

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When no cast at all, it is referred to as "neutral grey" or simply "grey".

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red by Americans... in an article in American English. I cordially invite

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W3C has listed 16 color names that will validate with an HTML validator:

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Why does this article link to the talk pages of several other articles?--

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dispute, the scales should be tipped toward the primarily spoken dialect.

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What leads you to believe that "colour" is acceptable American English?

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Maybe on Planet Tralfamadore. Blitterbug 10:23, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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Please read all the earlier discussions and votes taken on this issue.

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started at 02:55, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC) the numbers were 10 to 8 for Grey.

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Hmm, looks like "gray" is roughly 2.5 to 3 times as popular as "grey".

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Is the picture for gray 50%? It looks quite dark to be perfect gray.

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in grey clothing. This is partly because of their association with

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Add any additional comments on the "Requested move" below this line

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All the grey values in greyscale are solutions of the inequality:

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All the grey values in greyscale are solutions of the inequality:

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American and Canadian; see the above Requested moves for details.

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Yellow and blue make green not gray, there is a major flaw here.--

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series, those of magical power are described as having grey eyes.

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followed by an optional one sentence explanation and a signature:

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Is this a US-centric website or what? Let's be clear about it.

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is known in part for a series of large grey abstract paintings

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Change "gary" to "gray" in the first sentence of the article.

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chose to jump the gun and move it to his preferred version of

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production. Etymologically, it comes from the Middle English

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less than acceptable, or uncommon, in parts of the world? --

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but not by a ton. Let's look now at American English only...

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this would be a good thing to include. -Divya da animal lvr

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and seeing my own unanswered suggestion from a year ago.)--

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as being the color. That is correct by W3C color name, as

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Grey is a fairly common surname too. There was a Queen of

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symbol of mourning and repentance. It can be used during

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to describe situations that have no clear moral value, or

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Agreed, what James Lane here says makes a lot of sense. —

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for the reasons discussed in the archive . In any case,

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is acceptable in every single English-speaking country,

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Draco Malfoy (in the Harry Potter books) has grey eyes.

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someone has is "well, it's like that in my country!"

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Darkslategray doesn't really look like gray to me. --

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is the better spelling, but this article should be at

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The Grey Council consists of the nine leaders of the

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is used in BrEng, which it is in the common surname

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Would it not be clearer to just move the article to

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based on broader usage and lack of conflicting use.

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1. As above, it was originally in American English.

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I could understand if the Crips 93:Why is "darkgray" lighter than "gray"? Anton 8: 860:. I am pursuaded by what James Lane wrote. 210:Knowledge:Manual_of_Style#Usage_and_spelling 4577: 4553: 3928: 3926:such as this one, displayed at Tate Modern 2956:red by Brits instead of one moderately fav 1614: 604:Actually, we can't. The references to the 286:Knowledge:Naming conventions (use English) 4464: 4432: 4394: 4368: 4342: 4303: 4269: 4222: 4190: 4129: 4028:is at first only referred to as Mr. Gray. 3823:or on special days of fasting and prayer. 2594:color grey there are more options. Every 874:Requested Move: (There and back again...) 329:but not if the redirects aren't fixed. -- 3903:, partly because these races, including 1548:The pictures look more brown than grey. 638:I'd be perfectly in favour of a move to 4481: 4314: 4286: 4245: 388:The answer can be found by clicking on 288:, which establishes the policy stating 3550:. Of course the U.S. spelling is more 3523:and has been since the 19th century.-- 3287:, the article was originally at Grey. 1262:to put an end to the problem. Thanks. 1082:moving yet again. Please let it rest. 973:can mean both color and physical unit. 430:new user name just for this purpose). 275:and further back from the Old English 44:Do not edit the contents of this page. 4167:{\displaystyle 0\leq (R=G=B)\leq 255} 3760:In a moral sense gray is either used 2947:There's less than a two-to-one ratio. 7: 3850:(field grey) was a common colour of 3614:, was originally located at "Gray". 3515:Given that either spelling is fine, 3101: 2945:And indeed, that's exactly the case. 2665:The result of the move request was: 2582:More greys, not just the HTML-named. 2316:Most of the surprising "facts" cite 3100:You mean... it's all kind of gray? 524:Dictionary Society of North America 268:Dictionary Society of North America 74:Why is it "grey", but "gray wolf"? 4545:Gray/grey isn't American v British 4544: 4105:in the games where he is playable. 2931:, etc.). 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