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Knowledge pages. Q magazine's interview was before Doves had a Knowledge article, so can you explain that? I also don't see why their manager would remove a reference to where they used to pratice just because it wasn't in Manchester! And if you are the manager since 1991 can you also explain why you weren't bothered about the page saying they were from 'Wilmslow' until fairly recently?
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We weren't too bothered about this page until recenly because we were recording the new album. Lately we've been doing a ton of press, most of whom refer to Knowledge before they interview the band or use it as a source to pad out their article. The band are sick of seeing themselves referred to as
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They've said that they're recording the new album in a small country village in the Peak District. Next to a llama farm apparently and there can't be too many of them. The working title of one of their songs is also 'Disco Eyam' and Eyam is a village in the Peak District. However I'm from Eyam and
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I am their Manager and have been since 1991, I don't need to provide references. Q, M.E.N. and the Wilmslow Express (!) will have taken the Wilmslow formation statement from the incorrect info here on Knowledge. That's generally what journalists do. Please don't alter the page again.
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the band formed. As Doves wouldn't have met if it wasn't for Wilmslow High School and formed a band while at Wilmslow High School, Manchester wouldn't be seen as where they formed, expect if you're a die hard Macunian or from London and don't have any idea where Wilmslow is.
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