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Five million over thirty years is hardly a substantial family commitment to a family foundation, even if it sounds like a lot of money to the average taxpayer. For a man who claims net worth of nine billion, it is a drop in the bucket. I suggest to the OP that the article is not biased, but is an
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is a summary only, and all of the requests and details of the lawsuit are of little importance at this time. Only the settlement matters for the lede at this point in time. Cleanout all of the 'this person requested this, sued for that' from the lede, this can be covered in the article body.
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