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universe. It brings the question of how far the time matrix of the TARDIS; which wasn't created to travel between alternate universes, could have given Rose the power from staring into its 'heart' the ability to make sure a name appears in an alternate universe; or rather could this have been simply a coincedence unconnected to her power, maybe a higher fate? or maybe it was before the point of divergence at when Rose had the power of the "vortex running through her head" and could 'see every potential outcome', so was able to add that in this universe which altered the other; BUT the point of divergence for that particular alternate universe was BEFORE 'the parting of ways'. Its a factor of discontinuity and is perfectly viable for discussion on a talk page about an episode at wikipedia, because one never knows what might been found as viable to add to the article in that respect.
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did was change the focus of her idea; maybe rush it into production a little sooner. Maybe in this universe her husband never died, and he set up Torchwood as he'd always intended to, along with the guy who made the "telescope" at Torchwood House. All this speculation serves to illustrate is that the idea of an alternate Torchwood is not necessarily contradictory with anything we've seen, and that it does not necessarily imply the existence of an alternate Doctor. Neither does anything negate that idea; it just isn't necessary, is all. Therefore, there's no need to bring it up. --
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sort of discussion is more relevant for a Doctor Who forum than a Knowledge (XXG) article. Personally, I think to describe the episode as 'awful' is perhaps a little harsh - although I agree that the conclusion is rather messy and badly written. Despite this - from what I can tell - it is the most popular series finale and one of the most popular episodes, although that is probably purely because it gave fans (new and old) the Cybermen vs Daleks episode they had long been waiting for.
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that in one episode, the Doctor says, "Each choice creates a new world." It is possible that when Queen Victoria decided to create the first Torchwood Institute, a new world was created, the same as our world is at that exact moment. Other decisions would have created the differences between the two worlds.
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certainly provides sound advice regarding the use of Continuity sections in Doctor Who articles, including examples of the problems which can ocurr unless the subject is addressed with care. It doesn't generally discourage Continuity sections; it advises caution. You may find this discouraging, while
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It's very hard to mention this without going into a huge rant at how awful this episode was, but should it not be in the article that the very crux of the whole void-stuff device, and thus the whole point of the climax, renders Pete's rescuing of Rose completely non-sensical? Can that be mentioned in
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I can understand there should be a details episode summary for key episodes such as this, but the plot summary just goes on and on and on, it's not easily readable and would take a good few minutes to plow through properly. It doesn't need to detail every single thing that happens in the episode word
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Well, I suppose it came across as speculation, but my intention was to fish out a plot hole for the possible inclusion into the article of whether it would be as unlikely as the episode made out for Rose to see the Doctor again, but since it has to do with the unfolding of the story I suppose it does
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Bear in mind that the Torchwood in Pete's world seems to be much less secret, so it could have been set up much earlier. Or it could have been set up in response to something far more harmless and ordinary, and grown to encompass alien activity. Maybe it's well known as an organisation, but some of
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They have earned their status as a companion, either in following consecutive episodes (Jack), By statement of the producers (Astrid), or by accreditation (Rose). Sarah Jane was also not a companion in School Reunion, but was in The Stolen Earth / Journey's End. In short; a companion's appearence in
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OK, so I understand most of the article gets its information from two external links. But the average reader doesn't know that. The lead should also be rewritten to better reflect the whole article, including a plot description, (get rid of that useless synopsis section). The plot could be shortened
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There is a parallel Torchwood in the parallel London. In "Tooth and Claw", Queen Victoria creates Torchwood after the Doctor's visit. He never visited the parallel earth before "Rise of the Cybermen", so, there should not be a parallel Torchwood. A possible explanation for the parallel Torchwood, is
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Good news, everyone. From BBC today: "We're pleased to tell you that Murray Gold's wonderful soundtrack to Doctor Who will be making its way to CD in the near future. BBC Worldwide are working with the composer to release the highlights from his Doctor Who scores on CD. While we don't have a release
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It's another great Murray Gold piece. It's mentioned in the commentary (Julie Gardner says she was humming it for two weeks after hearing it the first time; I know the feeling!). If you go to the BBC Doctor Who page, hit News and Contact Us, you'll see this bit: "What was that music on the beach? It
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Not sure that's a correct translation for "Bad Wolf Bay". In Danish, at least, "dårlig" is used as in "bad stomach". If the meaning is as in "bad wolf", the word would be "slemme" - not sure if that's the same in Norwegian. And "stranden" is "the beach". "Bugt" would be "bay". So, in Danish at
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He could easily have a spare in the TARDIS. Alternatively, they could switch to a different magic gizmo next year (though the sonic screwdriver will likely remain) or just have him get along without it, to have an additional change from the Rose years. He got along fine without it for 26 years (900
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Didn't they also "write out" Rose's superphone at one stage ;) He'll probably either magically have it back or just make a new one. I think it's more useful for the production team to have around than to be completely without it- they could always have someone challenge his stated identity (like in
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Sure it does, where it serves a purpose in refuting an earlier suggestion. And it's a fair point: there's no reason to believe that the only reason Torchwood can exist is if the Doctor inspired its creation. For all we know, Victoria was already mulling the idea over in her head, and all the Doctor
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I'm not saying to add him for all other episodes. He is credited as a companion before this two-parter, and in "Journey's End", fulfilling pretty much the same role in this episode as in the latter. If he is to be considered a companion in "Journey's End", then he should be in this two-parter. The
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is making the point (albeit with great brevity!) that as fun as speculation is, wikipedia isn't the right place for it. Not even on talk pages, because the point of them is to serve as debate about what should go into the main article; they're not supposed to be used as a general discussion forum.
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That can be put down to good luck and artstic license, but the fact the TARDIS was not sucked through is a plot hole. Also, the fact that the Cybermen outside the Taj Mahal were pulled upwards in the sky - which is away from the 'Torchwood Tower' - could be considered a plot hole - although this
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universe should imply that existence of said individual, torchwood is evidence of the activities of an individual *if* being what it is as an institute intrinsically denotes the same quality for being there in the alternate universe, name et al. being evidence of existence via its modus operandi.
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Hi! People have been known to have their arms outstretched for mere balance's sake. He may have been anticipating a strong wind upon his arrival and had his arms ready to grab onto something. So it could still be luck. (Granted, sometimes actors and actresses give away their intended actions by
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But back to whether such talk is appropriate, they are for matters of the trivia section; if there is a logical fallacy in the story, it can be added as a fact of contradiction to the story. Another example which is arguable is the Dårlig Ulv Stranden / "Bad Wolf Bay" appearing in the alternate
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Of course the existence of a person one place wouldn't indicate the existence of the same person in another reality, for the very sake of the fact that an alternate universe implies that 1 ≠ 1, i.e. its very function is being "alternate". But the activities of one individual in a self-contained
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Doesn't the presence of the Torchwood institute in the alternate universe where Rose, Pete, Mickey & Jackie were stranded; confirm the existence of an alternate Doctor in that universe? Torchwood being founded because of the Doctor (it being an anagram for 'Doctor Who' kind of gives it that
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Two things I would like to mention: 1) Under continuity, it is stated that Jack Harkness leaves the series in an episode featuring the Daleks, namely The Parting of the Ways, however I believe that he reappears in Utopia. Is this so, and if so, worth an edit? And the second's more of a general
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Slightly un-related but still relevent to this topic: How come Earth even still exists in the parallel dimension if there is no Doctor? Over the years Earth has been invaded by innumerable aliens with nefarious intent, so who dispatched them? I can only think of three reasons for their earth's
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the wording of this seems misleading to me, because in the 2 parter of "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit", there isn't a reunion between the Doctor and Rose, though it could be considered a final reunion between Tennant and Piper, which I could see as emotional for the actors but not the
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First, I apologize if this is a silly suggestion, as I am new to Knowledge (XXG) editing, so please bear with me and try to resist the urge to laugh me out of the forum, though do feel free to delete this if it does reek of being a newbie comment. Suggestions/timid proposals for updating:
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anyway - we know who she is and what her name is and it just seems pointless to list her as something else. It's a bit like listing The Master's disguises as there own anogramed name instead of just listing Anthony Aniely. I think it should be changed personaly but you may dissagree.
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continued existence. ### a) Some Defender of the Weak (i.e. Doctor). ### b) No-one wants to invade their Earth - in which case what is their Torchwoods job? ### c) They've always been able to repel the defenders unaided (so why couldn't they handle the cybermen with the Doctor?). -
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featured article under advisement. The absence of this section isn't a prerequisite for achieving or retaining FA status, of course (unless you are arguing otherwise). Nevertheless, if you are using this to support your position then verification won't come amiss. Oh, and let's add
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Just wondering if I could change the caption from the "EXTERMINATE Delete" to that nice quote from Dalek Sec, "This is not war, this is pest control". It matches the picture nicely, and also even though the Daleks shout, we could just emphasise the loudness by putting it in bold.
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The lead says "... Doctor Who episodes since the show's revival.", whilst the opening lead sentence simply mentions the "... final episode in the second series of ..." without clarifying that this is the second series since the shows revival, as technically the second series was
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Actually, nevermind. It makes sense with "quite" as well. Don't know what I was sniffing when I read that. Anyway, what he meant was that the music reflects how she felt during that scene, which is exactly like if she locked herself in her room and had a good crying session.
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I seem to recall a rumor somewhere that Billie Piper wanted to play a female version of the doctor, and that RTD had plans to bring her back to who in the distant future, maybe she'll become that universes' equivalent of the doctor, and find some sort of means to travel in time
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Incidentally, Torchwood probably exists in both worlds because the point of divergence is later than the creation of Torchwood. So, technically, the Doctor that exists in Peteworld is the SAME Doctor because the worlds were different AFTER that time rather than before.
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Sure, most of us violate that from time to time, but it's a good point. Speculation should be saved for fan forums like Outpost Gallifrey (well, I wonder if many of those people are actually fans, given the amount of sniping that appears every week, but I digress...).
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other editors might just see it as one of the more enjoyably challenging aspects of Knowledge (XXG) editing. In any event, the advice certainly hasn't prevented the proliferation of Continuity sections in Doctor Who related articles, which would seem to render
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in which the Doctor is actually shown weeping. I've seen every existing episode of the original and new series and I cannot think of any other occasion in which he's shown crying, thought the Ninth Doctor comes close when he tells Rose "You were fantastic" in
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Trust me, it's better we just leave it be and not start asking questions like this, otherwise we might as well start asking questions like "How did the exact same sperm fertalise the exact same egg to make the exact same people exsist on this universe?"
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Wonder if they wrote it out on purpose, the same way they tired to write out the sonic screwdriver way back when. Was kind of taking the fun out of it if all he has to do is flash a blank bit of paper and people suddenly accept that he's who he says he
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And finally, for the dated material at the end, should that also have some parenthetical statement as I mentioned above, indicating the time period in which the stated statistics were true, as apposed to actually including all the data up to the
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I've seen the episode Rise of the Cybermen recently in my country, and this discussion about the existence of a parallel seems out of place for me. So I went to the article of that episode and I copy this fragment from the Continuity section:
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Let's not forget that the Daleks of the Order of Skaro were all fitted with personality in order to conjour up ways to defeat their enemies, although it doesn't fit the tone, a sense of humour no matter how twisted would be a by-product of
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now suffers any hasty revisionist intervention to expunge its Continuity section too. Let's hope not; we wouldn't want to risk the article losing featured status by changing the status quo in support of somebody's fatuous argument here.
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at all, but its still not deus ex machina - it's reasonably believable luck. Now if Rose had been sucked into the void and then miraculously spat out on the Pete's World side with no apparent explanation, THAT would be deus ex machina.
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I wanted to get that kind of throbbing, sort of hurt, sound of quite emotional rock, because I thought that's Rose would do if she was hurting and ran up to her bedroom and locked herself in her room and had a good old cry, really."
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Or d) the split is 'comparatively recent' - some time after airships became viable (though planes might have also evolved) - and the characters speak with the same accents in both worlds (how quickly do accents/languages drift?).
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Which may be true, but "far and large" doesn't stretch to this small part of Australia, where I'd never heard of Canary Wharf. So I clicked the link labeled "Canary Wharf" and was presented with information about some building
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It sounds like a somewhat uptempo version of Flavia's theme, although in none of the materials I've seen has anybody identified it as such. If you want to hear it for yourself it's currently being played on the official site
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This was a great episode, it actually made me cry. But I don't get how Mr. Tyler would know exactly when and where to jump to the other Earth just in time to catch and save Rose. Is it worth pointing this out somewhere?
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It's not really a plot hole since it doesn't affect the plot. It's more like a rabbit out of a hat (or a slight deus ex machina) in that it's there to save the heroine from death. It's like what happened at the end of
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its operations are secret and involve aliens. There's not really any evidence for any theory, but I'm just trying to illustrate that there are plenty of other ways it could have been set up that are nothing to do with
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OK, I see the comment immediately above. But this article is for a general audience, not Doctor Who buffs, so if Doctor Who has "idiosyncratic" naming convention then this should be properly documented and linked to.
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I watched it just now, and it's pretty clear that only Dalek Caan escaped through the emergency temporal shift, just before it sucks in the ark. I believe he's the only one of the four that shows up in a later
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and a two inch thick wire rope separating existence from oblivion, your efforts to ensure that only your interpretation of Knowledge (XXG)'s guidelines shall prevail are breathtaking. Absolutely astonishing.
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I have added an explanation of what the Fear Factor is, as well as that the Fear Factor website does not have a fear rating as per the beginning of the sentence, which describes them not being allowed to see
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Sorry if it seems that I'm being difficult. But it doesn't make sense to have two returning companions to be labelled differently, just because one of the actors isn't labelled as a star of the episode.
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I know she was credited as "The Bride" at the end of the episode but for the sake of purpose and just generally to be less confusing to those who don't know, why not just have Catherine Tate listed as
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Above is the quote made by Murray Gold, copied exactly as it appears in the article. It needs correcting as it does not make sense (possibly vandalism??) Does anyone know what this is supposed to say?
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It's in rose's stolen lab coat, which she threw on the sphere room floor, or alternitivly in Singh's coat. Either way, he probebly noticed it was gone when he checked his coat, and went back for it.
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Three people (Rose, Jackie and Mickey) from our-universe reside in parallel universe, and the Cybermen and others crossed in the reverse direction - so there is a possibility of it happening again.
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Seeing as Rose is counted as a companion for her role in "Turn Left" and Martha is counted as one in "Sontaran Strategem"/"Poison Sky", Mickey should be counted as one for these this two-parter.
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I agree Pete's timing could have been luck, but he materialises with his arms outstretched. Unless people jumping dimensions can see the world for a second before they actually materialise?
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Also remember that, in universe, Torchwood was named after the house, not after the Doctor, so there'd be nothing particularly counter-intuitive to the people in the story about it. --
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date, we felt we'd tell you as soon as possible. Thanks to everyone for the deluge of emails about the "singy lady", the "beach thing (i cried)", and, of course, the theme." --
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should this read like the others with the use of "regular appearance" since she returns for the "Turn Left" trilogy? Or is that covered by "lead" companion role?
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This is original research. It is possible that in removing this paragraph I have removed material that, shorn of the speculation, might belong in the article. --
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No, it does not confirm the existence of the Doctor. Just as the existence of Rose Tyler in 'this' universe did not confirm her existence in the alternate one. --
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It is said by the person that reverted my change that "it's emphatically One Canada Square, which is known to the public far and large as Canary Wharf (Tower)"
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but he plays just as much the part of The Doctor's companion as Rose does. It seems right that he should be credited as a companion on this particular episode.
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That would mean there are two doctors, since from at every point of divergence those who led alternate time lines exist independently in the other universe.
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On the series issue, the 2006 series is commonly known as series 2, whereas the 1964 series is known as season 2. It's an idiosyncratic practice unique to
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allow speculation, there are plenty of ways that Torchwood could have been founded that don't involve a parallel Doctor. That's why, 67.5.147.88, we
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TV series producers can #always# find a way out of reviving dead or "parked elsewhere" characters if needs be - see the patron saint of such events,
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I remember a report mentioning Billie's desire to play the Doctor or see a female Doctor too, but I don't remember where. That's bugging me now. :)
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Yes, yes, speculation isn't appropriate on wikipedia talk pages, and so on - but is it worth noting the previous appearance of a parallel earth in
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while I'm at it, in case anybody missed it the first time. Is that standard practice when addressing an IP editor now? Must have missed the memo.
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Does anyone have any information on the music for the final reunion scene on Bad Wolf Bay? The one with the female warbling and the piano going
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was specially composed by Murray Gold. We've still no news of a soundtrack album." Shame. I'd buy it too. It's my ringtone at the moment. :-) --
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Neither were Rose or Martha in the episodes mentioned above. And neither was Jack in "The Empty Child", nor Astrid in "Voyage of the Damned".
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OK, after further investigation, it appears I was wrong, although we do only see one of them trigger the temporal shift. I've edited my edit.
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Yes, I'm sure it's easy for little things like actuality slip by in the rush to make grandiloquent claims. As to the result, I did not see
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I hope you'll forgive me for saying so, but you don't make it clear what 'speculation' you refer to. I hope you're not complaining about
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I know, but they are attacking each other, and from the Daleks POV, this would be just pest control, compared with what they've fought.
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mystique quality that makes it rather counter intuitive for an alternate purpose in the alternate reality of an institute so-named)
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should there be an addition of "at the time of the initial publication of this article", or, "the time of the episodes release"?
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Mentioning there was a parallel Earth also in Inferno would probably be okay for the Trivia section. Are there other instances?
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fall under speculation, besides being very tentative; but story line contradiction could always be added to the trivia section.
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featured episode article, which this article happens to be; including it will risk this article losing featured status.
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speculation, because if you are, you've missed the point of it rather. I was just trying to illustrate that if we
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that building, while being referred to as "the battle of Canary Wharf", it is reasonable to link to the building.
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If it's slow and solemn, it's possibly Flavia's theme (or a variation). It's used when thinks get too time-lordy.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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a neutral and non-OR manner? Perhaps a reviewer has picked up on this at some point and that could be sourced?
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Where in the episode does it say that she is a companion? It merely says that she is a star of the episode.
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It's obvious, Torchwood exists, although it cannot be the same organisation as it is in 'this' reality.
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The concept of Daleks and Cybermen appearing together is already explored in the Production section.
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comment: why is it that the Doctor is faced so many times with the choice of Rose or the universe?--
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That's not really deus ex machina. Pete might have just been lucky, he might not have
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Alternatively they end up in a third parallel universe and avoid any paradoxes...
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It's hard to shorten the plot without removing quite a bit of context, trust me.
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That one slipped by! It certainly wasn't there when the article was promoted.
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Jack had psychic paper when we first saw him, so it's not a unique artefact.
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least, I would expect the translation to be more like "Slemme Ulv Bugt" ...
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The report was on the Newsround website. It is not on there anymore though.
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Makes more sense without the typo -- it's probably "quiet emotional rock".
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At least I asked on the discussion page before putting it in the article.
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Martha doesn't have a companion role in "Sontaran Strategem".
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That's not the scene that uses that line, though. --
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