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stated in the source. For example, what I removed said "...a cowardly approach based on fear rather than a brave one that accepts some potential risk but seeks to de-escalate situations and only use violence when absolutely necessary.". that isn't in the source cited. Not only is that conclusion not there, the words "brave" or "cowardly" aren't even used in the article at all. If using charged words like that aren't SYNTH, they are certainly POV. John Oliver's opinion is his opinion. We can quote him on his opinion but let's stop acting like he's the definative source.
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psychologists. How Grossman got his books on the Commandant's Reading List mystifies me. They are unreadable, and they are not substantive contributions to any category of human knowledge. Grossman writes his books in order to set up his seminar appearances, at which he flogs his books, which nobody reads. His Institute is an empty shell.
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entire claim to Ranger fame, and it provides a thin rationale for him describing himself as an "Airborne Ranger." Technically the statement is correct. In practice, though, nobody who merely graduated from the course would dream of marketing themselves as an "Airborne Ranger" without a history with the Ranger Regiment.
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Grossman collaborates with questionable characters like John Giduck, who wrote a book about the atrocities at Beslan, and turned it into a seminar marketing machine. Until Giduck's research was debunked. He infamously claimed that the Muslim perpetrators committed rapes. This was never substantiated.
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Aside from the fact that the trivia is not notable, what even makes you think it is about Dave Grossman and not just a coincidence in dialog? He is known mostly as a Lieutenant Colonel, a rank often refered to in speech as "colonel" but NEVER refered to in speech as "lieutenant". Grossman hasn't been
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I think that it should be noted that although LTC Grossman will immediately tell you that he is an "Airborne Ranger," he never served in the Ranger Regiment. LTC Grossman graduated from Ranger school, the same course that Infantry lieutenants and PFCs from the Ranger Battalions attend. That is his
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I have removed things twice over the course of 12 or so days. Grossman has been criticized in some outlets. but it's typically either in an opinion piece or mostly a mention of his training in an article about a bigger issue. There was SYNTH in what was removed because it implied a conclusion not
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a lieutenant or held a rank referred to as a lieutenant since Vietnam. Nor was he notable until he started his studies, again, after becoming a LTC. So the reference would be dependant on using a wrong title and so obscure that it would be pointless. It looks more like a weird coincidence.
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Further, while Grossman wrote On Killing, he never killed anybody. Likewise, he wrote On Combat, though he never spent a moment in a firefight. Finally, Grossman popularizes a concept that he calls "Killology," a term which nobody else uses, and which is widely derided among professional
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It seems pretty obvious to this random wiki reader, perplexed enough at the scrubbed state of this article to check here, that you have worked (even edit-warred, according to other entries on this talk page), to eliminate any criticism of Dave Grossman or Killology Research Group.
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My opinion is that the edit in question seems to be a biased addition to the Dave Grossman (author) biography article and only serves to express Gamer81's personal views on Mr. Grossman. I am open to constructive opinions and will welcome any help on this matter.
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I'm not sure the irony of a game designer having the same name as Col. Grossman is necessarily encyclopedia worthy, but I cleaned up the addition anyway. If anyone else agrees that we should remove it or say it differently, go ahead.
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In the controversial game Postal 2, when the police burst in to arrest Gary Coleman, a bystander is heard to say "Lieutenant Grossman tried to warn us..." The situation soon spirals into a bloodbath.
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I could go on. Grossman has long advocated police militarization, and you understand why when you realize that police departments and federal agencies looking for speakers are his primary audience.
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On that note, should we change all references to "Col. Grossman" to "LTC Grossman," which would be more in accordance with procedure for military titles? pew pew pew 00:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
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I took out some of the inflammatory stuff that wasn't actually in the source and reworded some of the other. Then added a criticism that was presented in the proper context and weight.
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I would amend the article, but I have no patience for an inevitable edit war with Aubrey Grossman. I wonder: do you claim to be capable of impartiality?
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I'm aware of COI policies. I think it would be difficult to find an instance where I haven't strived for neutral POV. Feel free to critique my edits.
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I'm not sure why this is ironic. The games that Grossman designed are comedy based adventure games, and not violent in the slightest.
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A video game designer getting a rank wrong, like saying Lieutenant instead of Lieutenant Colonel, would not be that surprising. -
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It may be also noted that Dave Grossman shares his name ironically with the famed game designer Dave Grossman of
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Ironically, Col. Grossman has the same name as game designer Dave Grossman who worked on the games
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Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, there is zero evidence that this is a reference to Dave Grossman.
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