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Greater Rathfarnham or did the First Family move to An Grianan after all? I don't see one of these famous citations of recent date supporting the Rathfarnham point, only one for the Concert Band. And An Grianan, while rather hidden, looks pretty lived-in for those passing by on campus. I'm not sure it matters much but if the Irish people are paying for an official residence, I suppose it is better it it is used, and for Wiki, best to be accurate, and if not, just leave points out.
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Ireland. Likewise Keogh could have gone deeper into what made Pearse tick but he's far from unique in this deference. And surely there should be something on his leadership of DCU? He has presided over at least some small initiatives, and some honorary awards, although the latter probably began pre-Covid under MacCraith. Surely the entire university of camera-bearers can also offer a better just-the-subject, Ma'am, photo. 10:20, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
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Tweeting - is this useful information (maybe it is when activity is very frequent, such as c. twice a day), and is the site used, twaku, a suitable source? And if so, what is the best section? Where we discuss a public figure, it does not fit in Personal Life, but at the same time, especially for aan academic, I'm not sure about having it in Publications. Input welcome...
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So that request from DCU was rejected, OK. Fair enough, it bordered on snobbery, the attempt to edit out the Peter's Bar background. Might as well drop the secondary teaching, but where's the shame in that either? It's not like historians all work in the groves of academe, or have sky-high Higge
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Hi! I'm new here too, though I've been reading for years. I think you might need to compare this article with others before suggesting that the detail is somehow OTT. It's really rather a short article for a high-profile public figure. It seems to be routine, also in the likes of
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