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Similar to Bane, he is a genius and master tactician. It’s ok to have both. Characters who are listed genius intellect, have their area of expertise like chemistry or engineering. Having both is ok. Wonder Woman is a god, she is a skilled fighter. They’re both listed. What I’m trying to say, if it’s
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take the image from this article, and put back the Zero Hour one. But, please, I had hard work uploading the image. I always have, because my fingers have complicated pains. And I don't really know everything you need to write to upload, but have been learning. Please let the image be in
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